[Ansteorra] Fw: [Burkhaven] bad stuff here in the east

[Mike Wyvill]

In Cub Scouts its always a boy and parent or guardian (never another adult. 
I would have to accompany my eight year old, not his brothers who are 25 and 
22) with the boy at any activity. Boy Scouts its 2 deep for camping. Our 
troop has so many assistant scoutmasters there are usually at least 5-6 
adults camping.

Trained leaders are required for camping (am minimum of one) and ALL adults 
are required to have Youth Protection Training. You can do that online.


>From: "KEYNA" <keyna at hot.rr.com>
>Reply-To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
><ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [Burkhaven] bad stuff here in the east
>Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:03:34 -0500
>
>On the not of more than one adult. Being a life member of the Girl Scouts
>the ratio is 1 adult per 8 girls. There is always a leader and a co-leader.
>Now for them to go camping you have to have. The 2 leaders, a camp trained
>person, which most likely is one or both leaders, and a certified first aid
>adult.
>Keyna
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Richard
>Threlkeld
>Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 12:23 AM
>To: 'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [Burkhaven] bad stuff here in the east
>
>Though you are right - it is not fair to paint all single men as abusers -
>most abusers are single men. Of course, there are several cases where a man
>and his wife were both into the abuse.
>
>But even if we don't tar you with the brush because you are a single male,
>the two deep rule should still apply. Another adult should be present when
>you have kids over. Especially if you don't have kids of your own. I would
>want that to protect myself from any claims that might be made. I ran the
>training for child protection in a Boy Scout Council with 13 counties when
>child protection was just starting up in the BSA. I was looking as much to
>how to protect the leaders as the children. The precautions taken are the
>same: two deep adults, never be alone with a child not your own, encourage
>parents to be present and take an active part, ...
>
>After that training, I looked at many things differently. I had either my
>wife or my kids in the car when I took a babysitter home (my kids are 27 
>and
>24, so that was some time ago). When a Scout came into my tent when 
>camping,
>I would immediately take him outside where our private conversation would 
>at
>least be observed by others. And many more things. Considering the damage
>even being accused would do to your life, it is important to make the child
>protection rules part of your life, not just in Scouts or the SCA, but all
>the time.
>
>In service,
>Caelin on Andrede
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Matthias the
>Brewer
>Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 00:00 AM
>To: 'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [Burkhaven] bad stuff here in the east
>
>What is wrong with being a single man?  Does this automatically make me a
>child molester?  Really?
>
>For the record, any child would be very safe in my house.  And I rather
>resent the implication to the contrary simply because I'm single.
>
>Matthias the Single
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
>[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dickey
>Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:13 PM
>To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: [Burkhaven] bad stuff here in the east
>
>Elspeth wrote:
> >
>
>"Much as I love the friends I have made in the SCA, I am pretty particular
> > where my
> > kids spend the night.
> >
> > Maybe I just think differently, but I know where my kids are, and it
> > is not spending the night at a single man's house."
>
>
>
>Believe me, you are not alone in your thinking on this.  As the father of
>two small girls, (4 and 8) My wife and I would never allow them to stay at 
>a
>single man's house, period.  We both agreed that we have to know the
>parent(s) of the children where they do go, and only allow the oldest to
>spend the night with those we absolutely trust.
>
>The parents in this case have to take some of the blame here, in my 
>opinion.
>
>Dietrich
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