[Ansteorra] group discussion - was - Bad things

Bob Dewart gilli at hot.rr.com
Tue May 15 15:59:45 PDT 2007

WOW!!  They're that old already!!!  Holly smokes!!  All of a sudden I feel 
very OLD.

Burkhaven, An Odyssey of Learning
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vicki Marsh" <vmarsh at twmarsh.net>
To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] group discussion - was - Bad things

> Xene here:
> I hate to say this, but I'm *really* getting tired of seeing this
> discussion.
> Yes, I know it's important. I have 15 and 16 year old boys whom I raised
> in the SCA. Ask me in person what I did right and what I did wrong -
> I'll tell you.
> Yes, I'm also a teacher and the mother of a Boy Scout, so those policies
> are ingrained into the very fiber of my being.
> Yes, I've made the typical mistakes of parents and not watched my kids
> 24-7.
> Yes, there have been pedophiles in Ansteorra. I've known one personally,
> but he is no longer on this Earth. A background check would not have
> done a bit of good on him. Even his wife didn't know.....and it's a
> very, very sad story.
> My suggestion.....start a yahoo group to discuss this off-line from the
> Ansteorra group and/or set up "user group" meetings so that you can
> discuss this in person and build on the knowledge that each of you
> brings to the group.
> Everyone who has posted to this thread has good, valid ideas and are
> trying to brainstorm with each other on an important topic. Group
> discussions work well in a separate environment or in person.
> One more thing.....
> Why do we always have to come up with rules that legislate what should
> be Common Sense? Does Zero Tolerance mean lack of judgement?
> Do our leaders really believe that we are too stupid for that? Or do
> they just have to keep on making new rules to justify their existence?
> Lately, Ansteorra (and the SCA) has been becoming so legalistic and
> bureaucratic that it is stifling to new growth, new membership, and the
> health of old groups. Requiring baronies to take six months for their
> new landed nobles selection process, not allowing baronial candidates to
> answer questions in a group, requiring parents (instead of appointed and
> notarized substitutes) to always be with their children during martial
> competitions or fighter practices, even at age 16 and 17 when they can
> drive themselves.....And that's just the tip of the iceberg as rules go.
> (BTW, my 16 year old has worked for almost a year at a BBQ place with
> adults and customers who have not undergone background checks, uses very
> sharp knives every day, and deals with hot grills and fryers that can
> burn him. I never signed a parental release form, either.)
> I'm just afraid that our bureaucracy and fears of litigation will
> destroy the Society for Creative Anachronism.
> In Service to Crown and Kingdom,
> A Cranky old Pel-Laurel Baroness......Xene Theriane
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