[Ansteorra] Questions about crowns and crown tournaments

Adam Thompson adam.r.thompson1 at gmail.com
Thu Jul 19 22:53:01 PDT 2012

People have been denied entry to crown across the knowne world for many
reasons over the years. They can be as big as an issue that would affect
the kingdom and as small as the reigning Crown doesn't like you.

I am increasingly bothered by people who claim they play in the SCA to
"escape" the modern world, but wish to drag the modern world in to the

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:45 AM, Patrick R <tex_yankee2004 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Thank you for responding to my post and yes that question was rhetorical
> question and was in response to the comments that same sex crowns (there
> than brothers or father/son) are not historically accurate. The rest were
> real and included:
> Why would someone be denied entrance in Crown Tournament?
> Who would be hurt if someone with a same sex consort was allowed to
> compete?
> Other than Queen’s champion possibly being renamed for six months what
> other reason (besides historical) can anyone use to justify not opening the
> tournament to same sex couples?
> Contrary to what some people believe that many of us just want to repeat
> our position that is not the case. I honestly want to learn why people
> believe what they believe. I may never change their opinion and they may
> not change mine but an exchange of ideas can lead us to respect the
> opinions we do not agree with.
> Dante
> From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 12:31 AM
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Questions about crowns and crown tournaments
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012, Patrick R <tex_yankee2004 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I still have my questions and wish they were a response to them.
> One remembers one's own postings far better than anyone else does, so
> in the future, please re-post.  Luckily, the archives at
> http://lists.ansteorra.org/pipermail/ansteorra-ansteorra.org/ have a
> Author sort option.  These are the only questions from you that I
> noticed.  If I missed one, please state it.
> http://lists.ansteorra.org/pipermail/ansteorra-ansteorra.org/2012-July/079199.html
> "In what Kingdom in history did the crown rotate every six months
> where the King was determined in a tournament?"
> I think most people thought that was a rhetorical question.  In case
> it wasn't: None.  There were some quick transitions, often assisted by
> sword blows, but I know of no transitions of landed rule, royal or
> other, that occurred via anything that they or we would call a
> "tournament".
> Not on a fixed schedule either, unless you think that a comet was a
> cosmic "time, gentlemen", or unless "as soon as I can get an adequate
> army there in decent campaigning weather" counts.
> It was relatively rare for a king stepping down to survive the process
> without the winged heels of Hermes.  Hossein al Qomi was an Ansteorran
> herald.  Someone once asked him, "What is the appropriate Arabic term
> for someone who has reigned once?"  He replied "'The late', or if he
> is lucky, 'the blinded and castrated'".  The Byzantines were fond of
> mutilating their deposed emperors, as it was believed that only a
> whole man could be emperor.  Unfortunately for them, that wasn't
> enough to stop Justinian II Rhinotmetos ("slit-nosed").
> Henry VI Plantagenet was a most unusual case.  His usurper captured
> him, but killing him would have just transferred the mantle of
> kingship to his son Edward, who was roaming free.  But after young
> Edward was killed, Henry VI died "of pure despite and melancholie" the
> night his usurper got back to where he was kept.
> http://lists.ansteorra.org/pipermail/ansteorra-ansteorra.org/2012-July/079217.html
> "I keep reading about competitors as well as their consort being
> approved by the Crown. My question is what are some of the reasons the
> Crown would not approve someone? ... I do not know how often someone
> is prohibited from competing when the consort is of the opposite
> gender but I would be curious as to why someone would not be
> acceptable to the crown."
> From the few replies so far, it appears that we will likely never
> hear, as it was stated that it's done privily.  I gather from the
> replies that Ansteorra may be different from other kingdoms: I
> interpreted it as saying that here it might be considered a bit of a
> privilege to fight in Crown Tourney, but in other realms, all are
> welcome and it would cause a Right Royal Fuss to ban someone.  The
> only reason firmly stated so far is not being a member of the Chivalry
> and not having any member of the Chivalry willing to vouch for you,
> but I gather that that's usually not a barrier.
> Danihel Lindicolinum
> -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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