[Ansteorra] Question in general

Sat Jul 20 07:18:25 PDT 2013

greetings

thank you ; )

not that i can forsee the future , but anyone with eyes should be able to 
see that you do more than aspire .
how many years as hospitaler did you not just sit back and wait for demo 
opportunities to magicly appear , but went out and found them ? then found 
people to come out and show off their knowledge / arts / skills ,
 so that we might interest new people in joining ??
even the current " revels in the park " are some of your work ( along with 
ciana, another of those " worker bees" that is constantly working ) which 
should be attracting interested new people.

anyway, something i forgot to add to my response to master ainars question , 
was that it is also the populaces responsibility to turn in award 
recomendations for all levels of awards ( even peerages )  the crowns can 
not be in all places at all times.
( neither can landeds )
they need your help in finding qualified people to give awards to. if you 
believe that someone deserves a certain award, and they don't recieve it 
from the current crown, try again with the next and so on.
( and tell your friends , so that if they agree , they too can send in award 
recs ) i don't believe that award recomendations " stack up " i'm pretty 
sure that you need to re submit the award recomendations every time a new 
crown steps up to serve in that position.

Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tega2" <montega2 at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Question in general

> Arthur,
> I can tell you now with full certainty that should you suddenly be absent 
> from this great and wonderful community, you would be greatly missed.
> It is your passion and dedication that we can all learn from. Arthur, you 
> are truly a warrior of goodness and chivalry. Your humility and 
> willingness to serve, ever a beacon for Northkeep. Your deeds do not go 
> unseen and as your Baroness, I could not be more proud. People like you 
> are the reason our society thrives and it shall be known. I humbly thank 
> you, and aspire to be as such!
>
> Montega Blackdragon
> Baroness of Northkeep
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:10 PM, "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> greetings
>>
>> lets see..
>> first, I believe that a peerage, any peerage, should be recognized as not 
>> just an honor, but also as a responsibility, a duty , and a commitment .
>> people will emulate you , copy your behavior, and treat others as you 
>> do..... for good as well as for bad .....
>> next, I believe that peers should be actively looking for and encouraging 
>> those people doing what they do ( service / work / a&s / research / 
>> etc. )
>> anyway....
>>
>> Chivalry ,( Knights / Master at arms ) I feel that this is actually the 
>> easiest peerage to obtain. the heavy fighting community is in front of 
>> and part of the crowns activities at every event . making it easier for 
>> the crown to say " this person is ready "  even though by tradition, most 
>> knights or those wishing to attain that goal, have had to travel all over 
>> the kingdom so that the hopeful fighter can be " seen " by all the 
>> current members ,( although , this seems to have been replaced with " how 
>> many wars does this person attend " ) without the current members needing 
>> to travel as much. but there is often unseen , another quality of the 
>> members of the chivalry.... ( no, not the all night partying ),  I have 
>> seen many knights , go out of their way to assist people in need ( both 
>> in the sca, and mundanely ), especially if they can do it without a lot 
>> of fanfare .they often can be seen teaching, getting new and returning 
>> people into armor , if that is the persons desire. so
>  I would say chivalry peerage = mastering at least one weapon style, while 
> being knowledgeable about many others, service , both in front of and 
> behind the scenes, being at ease in the presence of other peers, teaching 
> , not just squires, but everyone, being humble enough to work gate / privy 
> patrol, etc. right alongside a nubie.
>>
>>
>> Laurel , laurels are often seen as the " all knowing " peers , but on 
>> occasion , I have seen laurels tear a nubies a & s entry to bits , with 
>> nothing but negatives, instead of explaining what they found " bad " or 
>> why it was bad , about the entry, or giving any place to start learning 
>> to do a " better " job next time. don't get me wrong, I have also seen 
>> very in demand laurels leave notes, or point people towards references, 
>> or even tell the entrant  to " get with them later " where they spend a 
>> lot of time teaching entrants how to improve some or all aspects of 
>> entries. time they could be visiting friends, or partying, or even just 
>> relaxing. it seems to me that ( and I'm probably wrong on this ) to 
>> become a laurel, you have to travel all over the kingdom, you have to be 
>> some laurels " student " and you have to give up anything except 
>> researching, teaching,  making , and entering a&s competitions. and then, 
>> if your lucky , a group of laurels will decide that you are almost
>  as good at something as they are, ( after multiple years as a peer ) , 
> and vote to recommend you to the crown to become a laurel.
>>
>>
>> Pelican , pelicans are probably the most " hidden " peers, they are 
>> everywhere, but you never know they are pelicans ( except in court , 
>> because they wear their badges ; ) because they are the ones helping work 
>> gate, run privy patrols, fire patrols, helping in the kitchen, working 
>> offices, doing whatever it takes to keep the sca , and all its branches 
>> working . now , that said, there are also a lot of others out there doing 
>> the same things, that aren't now nor likely ever will be pelicans. as 
>> above, I'm probably wrong in this as well. but..
>> to become a pelican you must travel all over the kingdom regularly, you 
>> must go to wars regularly, and spend most of those wars, working ,you 
>> must regularly hold full kingdom offices ( preferably in different 
>> areas ) , you must be some pelicans student , and pretty much give up any 
>> activity in the sca, except working . after enough time " being seen " 
>> working all over the kingdom, and at wars, then if your lucky, a group of 
>> pelicans will vote to recommend you to the crown to become a pelican.
>>
>>
>>
>> P.L.Q's  , all peerages look for plq's, but they are never " defined " 
>> they are left open to each peers interpretation. one peer may say your 
>> fully qualified to be a peer , another may say that you are an oaf, and 
>> need better manners, better clothes, a better persona,or " your food 
>> taster's underwear has the wrong thread count " etc. to me, plq's are 
>> more about manners,and how a person treats those around them . can you 
>> make someone feel important ? needed ? useful ? or do you have to be the 
>> one in the spotlight ?? take all the credit for a team effort ?? kind of 
>> glaring differences aren't they ???
>>
>> as far as " what kind of service counts " to become a pelican ??
>> in many instances , I have been told that " I'm on the right track to one 
>> day become a pelican "  but I have no way of knowing if people are 
>> blowing smoke up my ... ummm, anyway.
>> and after 30 + years in the sca, I just don't see it ever happening. for 
>> many reasons, over the past 10 years, I have survived on less than 
>> $4000.00 a year. that means an ever reducing number of events I can 
>> attend,( and no wars ) , let alone having nice clothes.
>> I have passed up applying for full kingdom offices, because I know I 
>> can't afford the travel . yet have worked as a kingdom deputy officer , a 
>> regional officer, and several baronial offices. but no pelican has deemed 
>> me to be worthy of  an invite to become their student . ( not that I 
>> could just walk away from my duties as an arc d'or, but being ask would 
>> have been nice )
>> I have also heard that since I received my grant level award in archery , 
>> that everything I do relating to the missile community  , only counts as 
>> fulfilling the duties and obligations to that award, and only work not 
>> relating to the missile community counts towards a kingdom service award, 
>> or pelican. was I told wrong ? who knows, but it all remains a valid 
>> perception ..
>> another reason is that I tend to try and do everything myself, instead of 
>> getting others to do them. and tend to push myself sometimes too far : (
>> I'm still needed in the missile community , as an arc d'or ,I will always 
>> owe service to the missile community, as well as to the kingdom.
>> does this mean that I " only " work in the missile community ? no , I 
>> work where ever I feel I can be of service, and do a good job. ( well 
>> that and where ever people tell me they need help ; )
>> but I'm not positive that many people see anything but working at wars, 
>> or working  as kingdom officers as " service to the kingdom, or the 
>> society..
>>
>>
>> just my 2 pence ( yes I got a loan )
>>
>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
>> Arthur
>> ps. the above is just my impression on how the different peerages work. 
>> not being a member of any of them, I can only guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Drake" <ainarm at cox.net>
>> To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 2:05 PM
>> Subject: [Ansteorra] Question in general
>>
>>
>>> Would like some feedback from the non-peers out there.   As a general
>>> question, what do you see as the requirements for membership into the
>>> various peerage circles.  You can leave out that a Knight needs to be a 
>>> good
>>> fighter, assume that part.  But what kind of service counts toward being 
>>> a
>>> Pelican.  What level of service is needed?  What kind of art does a 
>>> Laurel
>>> need to do?  What are those nebulous Peer Like Qualities that people 
>>> talk
>>> about?
>>>
>>> I am asking the non-peers for this feedback because it has recently been
>>> brought to my personal attention that we may not be recognizing service 
>>> when
>>> we should and that this can discourage new people.  So I hear from other
>>> peers what they think their standards are.  For those of you trying to 
>>> get
>>> into the circles, what do you see as what you need to accomplish to get
>>> there?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Master Ainar Magnusson OP
>>>
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