ARCH - IKAC scores (kinda long with excerpts from Corpora, Law, and Rules)
Eadric Anstapa
eadric at barley.scabrewer.com
Sun Aug 20 22:35:07 PDT 2000
OK, my 2 cents just grew to a dollar and some change. I am gunna get long winded. I fail to see the problem with the requirement
of having two people present.
I try and shoot at least every day in my back yard and actually do so about 4 days a week. I have on occasion shot some scores
that would for me be considered GREAT. In fact a couple of weeks ago a shot a 20 yard speed round that was higher than my current
Royal Round average. It would be very easy for me to have a note posted in out local newsletter to the effect of, "Archery
practices held most evenings at Lord Eadric's. Contact Lord Eadric for details" then I could start submitting all my great scores.
I would never submit a score that I couldn't verify with someone else. As you have pointed out "people are people" and there will
always be those that will complain and take issue with things that they should not. I for one think it is a good idea to avoid any
accidental seeming of impropriety. I don't feel insulted or that my honor is in question because another person is required to be
present when I shoot because to me it just seems like good common sense.
Despite how you personally feel Gilli, SAFETY is certainly part of the issue because a warranted archery marshal is required to be
present.
What do the rules really say? Well, to quote from them...
"There must be at least two people present at any shooting of the competition for the scores to be official. This means a minimum of
an Archer-in Charge and one shooting archer or two shooting archers, one acting as Archer-in-Charge."
The way I read this IF there are just two people present and one of them is there "just to watch" and this person is not shooting,
then they must be acting as the Archer-In-Charge. They should be the one submitting the reports and ideally be the warranted
marshal.
Why a warranted marshal? Because the IKAC score must be shot at an SCA event. Once again to quote from the IKAC rules;
"The competition may be shot at any official Kingdom or local event (regular practice sessions which are periodically announced in
the appropriate newsletter count as official events--otherwise, official events are all those announced in the appropriate Kingdom
or local newsletter)."
OK, what qualifies as an official event? Well according to Corpora;
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II. SOCIETY EVENTS
A. SOCIETY EVENTS DEFINED. The term "Society event" refers to tournaments, feasts, and other activities whereby participants can
display the results of their researches into period culture and technology in an environment which evokes the atmosphere of the
Middle Ages and Renaissance. It also refers to educational activities involving either one-time classes or ongoing university
organizations, and meetings where participants share skills or discuss the business of the group. All Society events must be
sponsored by branches of the Society, registered with the Seneschal of the sponsoring branch and publicized at least to the
membership of that branch, and conducted according to Society rules.
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And according to our kingdom law;
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ARTICLE V: KINGDOM EVENTS
Section l: Events
1. All events shall meet at least the minimum requirements
specified in Corpora II.A .
2. Every Event of the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
shall have an autocrat "steward" or coordinating autocrat
"coordinating steward" whose name, address, and telephone
number will be advertised with the event announcement, or
shall be the responsibility of an officer of the sponsoring
group, whose name, address, and telephone number are
printed in the same newsletter in which the event
announcement appears. The autocrat shall be acceptable to
the Crown and the seneschal, and shall be warranted as a
deputy seneschal for a period needed to exercise the duties
of autocrat. An autocrat "steward" must meet the membership
requirements for the office of seneschal.
3. There shall be three classes of "Society Events" in the
Kingdom of Ansteorra.
1. A Kingdom Calendar Event shall be defined as a gathering
sponsored by an officially recognized branch of the
Kingdom which is listed in advance on the Official
Kingdom Calendar of Events in the Kingdom newsletter,
and for which the date, time, and place have been
published, for free, in advance in the Kingdom newsletter,
and which has one or more duly warranted officers present
and responsible for the conduct of the event.
2. A Regional Calendar Event shall be defined as a gathering
sponsored by three or more officially recognized branches
of the Kingdom which is listed in advance on the Official
Kingdom Calendar of Events in the Kingdom newsletter, and
for which the date, time, and place have been published,
for free, in advance in the Kingdom newsletter, and which
has one or more duly warranted officers present and
responsible for the conduct of the event.
3. An Local Calendar Event shall be defined as a gathering
sponsored by an officially recognized branch of the
Kingdom which is not listed on the Official Kingdom Calendar
of Events in the Kingdom newsletter but which has been listed
in advance in a newsletter of an officially recognized branch,
in which the date, time, and place have been published, and
which has one or more duly warranted officers of the sponsoring
branch present and responsible for the conduct of the event.
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The "one or more duly warranted officers present and responsible for the conduct of the event. " would be the warranted
archery marshal that is required to be present.
The current Society Target Archery Rules say.
"No target archery activities are to take place at an event unless a target archery marshal is present on the range."
and
"All Target Archery Marshals are officers of the SCA and shall maintain membership as required by the SCA By-Laws, and shall be
warranted by their kingdom as required by Corpora."
The rules are there, they are easy to read and to understand and they are reasonably easy to comply with. They are designed to
protect both the Society as a corporation and the individual members.
Go out and shoot and have fun because that's what this is supposed to be about. When you are at an official event with all of the
necessary requirements met then submit scores if that what makes you happy.
In Service,
Eadric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at seacove.net>
To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: ARCH - IKAC scores
> Lord Iaen wrote:
>
>
> >OK this may piss a few people off but oh well. First of all the use of a
> >tape recorder was instituted to give the range Marshall's voices a
> break(not
> >all of us have a parade ground voice) when running a range with large
> groups
> >of archers.
> >Also the use of a recorder gives a more consistent countdown for all
> archers
> >as they shoot. Generally down here in Ansteorra we do not have that large
> >of groups to contend with at our events and we often do not have
> electricity
> >at our events we don't use them.
>
> The trouble with being and old Fart is you were there when somethings got
> started. Nope, Sorry the tape player came about because of ME several years
> ago (around 1990) doing the IKCAC. When there is only two people doing the
> IKCAC calling time and scoring the 50 yard target is tough. The tape player
> allowed the shooter (ME) to know when to start and stop shooting. Times
> were made for both the 2 minute and 1 minute segments. I broached it with
> Sir John, he liked it. It became a rule. Sorry but it didn't have a thing
> to do with saving someone's voice.
>
> > Secondly, I believe that the rule for having two people on a range is
> not
> >only for honest reporting of scores (Does not seem to be a problem down
> >here) but also, for safety. For those that have had it happen there can be
> >nothing scarier than having a arrow come flying back at them from being
> >misnocked, a broken nock or worst of all, a string breaking. Most people in
> >the SCA seem to have at least a rudimentary knowledge of first aid and
> >therefore can assist a hurt archer more ably than a single archer can
> >his/herself.
>
> I don't know what Sir Jon's reasoning for this was. However; while I have
> had all the mishaps you describe happen to me, in twelve years have not had
> anything requiring more than a band aid. I have a greater fear of heart
> attack ( had one of them too) than of equipment failure.
>
> >
> >Thirdly, perhaps most importantly, this is what the rules state. There
> is
> >two be people at any given event/practice one being the Archer in Charge.
> >My take on this that both people do not have to be archers only the AIC.
> In
> >other words if Lord Gilli is the AIC than lady Darcy may be the other body.
> >(Not picking on you Gilli just a convenient example) The rules do not
> state
> >that both archers have to be shooting for score.
>
> Rules are what seems to be a good thing at the time. As times and people
> change, so should the rules. And some times it's something they just didn't
> think about at the time.
>
> >
> >Lastly, I believe this rule was made to insure that no shenanigans would go
> >on when reporting scores. The odds of two honest people pencil whipping
> >scores seems highly unlikely to me. However, if this was proven to be true
> >than my personal opinion is that the offending persons should be banned
> from
> >the SCA . This may seem a little extreme to some people but we are on our
> >honor here folks. There is no reason for anyone to falsely report scores
> as
> >we must always remember that this is only a game.
>
> To some, perhaps even most, this is far more than a game. However, people
> are people; ever hear of Watergate? However, this is an HONOR game we play.
> If I have to count each pearson's score than they don't need to be shooting.
> If some says that I can't count MY score because I might cheat, we're going
> to get SERIOUS about it. And I don't mean just on paper. :)
>
>
> Gilli
>
>
> >
> > Iaen
> >Mor
> >
> >Marshall at Large
> >
> Coastal
> >Region
> >
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