ARCH - IKAC scores (kinda long with excerpts from Corpora, Law, and Rules)
Bob Dewart
gilli at seacove.net
Mon Aug 21 03:57:26 PDT 2000
Listing everyday as a practice and to call for times *is* perfectly legal
way of doing it.
Gilli
-----Original Message-----
From: Eadric Anstapa <eadric at barley.scabrewer.com>
To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Date: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: ARCH - IKAC scores (kinda long with excerpts from Corpora, Law,
and Rules)
>OK, my 2 cents just grew to a dollar and some change. I am gunna get long
winded. I fail to see the problem with the requirement
>of having two people present.
>
>I try and shoot at least every day in my back yard and actually do so about
4 days a week. I have on occasion shot some scores
>that would for me be considered GREAT. In fact a couple of weeks ago a
shot a 20 yard speed round that was higher than my current
>Royal Round average. It would be very easy for me to have a note posted in
out local newsletter to the effect of, "Archery
>practices held most evenings at Lord Eadric's. Contact Lord Eadric for
details" then I could start submitting all my great scores.
>
>I would never submit a score that I couldn't verify with someone else. As
you have pointed out "people are people" and there will
>always be those that will complain and take issue with things that they
should not. I for one think it is a good idea to avoid any
>accidental seeming of impropriety. I don't feel insulted or that my honor
is in question because another person is required to be
>present when I shoot because to me it just seems like good common sense.
>
>Despite how you personally feel Gilli, SAFETY is certainly part of the
issue because a warranted archery marshal is required to be
>present.
>
>What do the rules really say? Well, to quote from them...
>
>"There must be at least two people present at any shooting of the
competition for the scores to be official. This means a minimum of
>an Archer-in Charge and one shooting archer or two shooting archers, one
acting as Archer-in-Charge."
>
>The way I read this IF there are just two people present and one of them is
there "just to watch" and this person is not shooting,
>then they must be acting as the Archer-In-Charge. They should be the one
submitting the reports and ideally be the warranted
>marshal.
>
>Why a warranted marshal? Because the IKAC score must be shot at an SCA
event. Once again to quote from the IKAC rules;
>
>"The competition may be shot at any official Kingdom or local event
(regular practice sessions which are periodically announced in
>the appropriate newsletter count as official events--otherwise, official
events are all those announced in the appropriate Kingdom
>or local newsletter)."
>
>OK, what qualifies as an official event? Well according to Corpora;
>
>--------
>II. SOCIETY EVENTS
>
>A. SOCIETY EVENTS DEFINED. The term "Society event" refers to tournaments,
feasts, and other activities whereby participants can
>display the results of their researches into period culture and technology
in an environment which evokes the atmosphere of the
>Middle Ages and Renaissance. It also refers to educational activities
involving either one-time classes or ongoing university
>organizations, and meetings where participants share skills or discuss the
business of the group. All Society events must be
>sponsored by branches of the Society, registered with the Seneschal of the
sponsoring branch and publicized at least to the
>membership of that branch, and conducted according to Society rules.
>--------
>
>And according to our kingdom law;
>
>--------
>ARTICLE V: KINGDOM EVENTS
>
>Section l: Events
>
>1. All events shall meet at least the minimum requirements
> specified in Corpora II.A .
>
>2. Every Event of the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
> shall have an autocrat "steward" or coordinating autocrat
> "coordinating steward" whose name, address, and telephone
> number will be advertised with the event announcement, or
> shall be the responsibility of an officer of the sponsoring
> group, whose name, address, and telephone number are
> printed in the same newsletter in which the event
> announcement appears. The autocrat shall be acceptable to
> the Crown and the seneschal, and shall be warranted as a
> deputy seneschal for a period needed to exercise the duties
> of autocrat. An autocrat "steward" must meet the membership
> requirements for the office of seneschal.
>
>3. There shall be three classes of "Society Events" in the
> Kingdom of Ansteorra.
>
> 1. A Kingdom Calendar Event shall be defined as a gathering
> sponsored by an officially recognized branch of the
> Kingdom which is listed in advance on the Official
> Kingdom Calendar of Events in the Kingdom newsletter,
> and for which the date, time, and place have been
> published, for free, in advance in the Kingdom newsletter,
> and which has one or more duly warranted officers present
> and responsible for the conduct of the event.
>
> 2. A Regional Calendar Event shall be defined as a gathering
> sponsored by three or more officially recognized branches
> of the Kingdom which is listed in advance on the Official
> Kingdom Calendar of Events in the Kingdom newsletter, and
> for which the date, time, and place have been published,
> for free, in advance in the Kingdom newsletter, and which
> has one or more duly warranted officers present and
> responsible for the conduct of the event.
>
> 3. An Local Calendar Event shall be defined as a gathering
> sponsored by an officially recognized branch of the
> Kingdom which is not listed on the Official Kingdom Calendar
> of Events in the Kingdom newsletter but which has been listed
> in advance in a newsletter of an officially recognized branch,
> in which the date, time, and place have been published, and
> which has one or more duly warranted officers of the sponsoring
> branch present and responsible for the conduct of the event.
>--------
>
>The "one or more duly warranted officers present and responsible for the
conduct of the event. " would be the warranted
>archery marshal that is required to be present.
>
>The current Society Target Archery Rules say.
>
>"No target archery activities are to take place at an event unless a target
archery marshal is present on the range."
>
>and
>
>"All Target Archery Marshals are officers of the SCA and shall maintain
membership as required by the SCA By-Laws, and shall be
>warranted by their kingdom as required by Corpora."
>
>
>The rules are there, they are easy to read and to understand and they are
reasonably easy to comply with. They are designed to
>protect both the Society as a corporation and the individual members.
>
>Go out and shoot and have fun because that's what this is supposed to be
about. When you are at an official event with all of the
>necessary requirements met then submit scores if that what makes you happy.
>
>In Service,
>
>Eadric
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at seacove.net>
>To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 9:26 PM
>Subject: Re: ARCH - IKAC scores
>
>
>> Lord Iaen wrote:
>>
>>
>> >OK this may piss a few people off but oh well. First of all the use of
a
>> >tape recorder was instituted to give the range Marshall's voices a
>> break(not
>> >all of us have a parade ground voice) when running a range with large
>> groups
>> >of archers.
>> >Also the use of a recorder gives a more consistent countdown for all
>> archers
>> >as they shoot. Generally down here in Ansteorra we do not have that
large
>> >of groups to contend with at our events and we often do not have
>> electricity
>> >at our events we don't use them.
>>
>> The trouble with being and old Fart is you were there when somethings got
>> started. Nope, Sorry the tape player came about because of ME several
years
>> ago (around 1990) doing the IKCAC. When there is only two people doing
the
>> IKCAC calling time and scoring the 50 yard target is tough. The tape
player
>> allowed the shooter (ME) to know when to start and stop shooting. Times
>> were made for both the 2 minute and 1 minute segments. I broached it
with
>> Sir John, he liked it. It became a rule. Sorry but it didn't have a
thing
>> to do with saving someone's voice.
>>
>> > Secondly, I believe that the rule for having two people on a range is
>> not
>> >only for honest reporting of scores (Does not seem to be a problem down
>> >here) but also, for safety. For those that have had it happen there can
be
>> >nothing scarier than having a arrow come flying back at them from being
>> >misnocked, a broken nock or worst of all, a string breaking. Most people
in
>> >the SCA seem to have at least a rudimentary knowledge of first aid and
>> >therefore can assist a hurt archer more ably than a single archer can
>> >his/herself.
>>
>> I don't know what Sir Jon's reasoning for this was. However; while I
have
>> had all the mishaps you describe happen to me, in twelve years have not
had
>> anything requiring more than a band aid. I have a greater fear of heart
>> attack ( had one of them too) than of equipment failure.
>>
>> >
>> >Thirdly, perhaps most importantly, this is what the rules state.
There
>> is
>> >two be people at any given event/practice one being the Archer in
Charge.
>> >My take on this that both people do not have to be archers only the AIC.
>> In
>> >other words if Lord Gilli is the AIC than lady Darcy may be the other
body.
>> >(Not picking on you Gilli just a convenient example) The rules do not
>> state
>> >that both archers have to be shooting for score.
>>
>> Rules are what seems to be a good thing at the time. As times and people
>> change, so should the rules. And some times it's something they just
didn't
>> think about at the time.
>>
>> >
>> >Lastly, I believe this rule was made to insure that no shenanigans would
go
>> >on when reporting scores. The odds of two honest people pencil whipping
>> >scores seems highly unlikely to me. However, if this was proven to be
true
>> >than my personal opinion is that the offending persons should be banned
>> from
>> >the SCA . This may seem a little extreme to some people but we are on
our
>> >honor here folks. There is no reason for anyone to falsely report
scores
>> as
>> >we must always remember that this is only a game.
>>
>> To some, perhaps even most, this is far more than a game. However,
people
>> are people; ever hear of Watergate? However, this is an HONOR game we
play.
>> If I have to count each pearson's score than they don't need to be
shooting.
>> If some says that I can't count MY score because I might cheat, we're
going
>> to get SERIOUS about it. And I don't mean just on paper. :)
>>
>>
>> Gilli
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
Iaen
>> >Mor
>> >
>> >Marshall at Large
>> >
>> Coastal
>> >Region
>> >
>>
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