ARCH - Royal Huntsman

Wilim Penbras wilim.penbras at
Tue Apr 3 14:50:49 PDT 2001

Okay,  and we'd just have the Kingdom get 60% of the Net instead of 30% to make up for the fact that you've just reduced the theoretical total attendance by 50%?  Sounds like a Plan.  Me and my barony love working our butts off hosting huge events for less than half the profits.  Somehow I don't think so.


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at>
Reply-To: ansteorra-archery at
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:45:59 -0500

>It's all a question of want to.  There are ways of doing anything, if there
>is a want to.
>Other than the fact it hasn't been done, there could be a Kingdom event
>protocol set up.  For example Crown is now on a region rotational basis,
>didn't use to be.  If no one in the region whose turn it is dosen't put in a
>bid, then it's up for grabs.  They could, if they wanted to, further say
>that Shires and Canton in that region had first deebs on the event.  They
>could do that with every event; if they wanted to.  Or perhaps the shires
>and cantons would have first deebs on even years.  That would spreed the
>wealth around a bit more.
>If they wanted to.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wilim Penbras" <wilim.penbras at>
>To: <ansteorra-archery at>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:20 PM
>Subject: Re: ARCH - Royal Huntsman
>> If I can play devil's advocate for a moment I'll point out one thing
>without even thinking about motives for keeping Queen's Champion a seperate
>> One event, hosted by a single group.  Gives the Kingdom a certain revenue
>based on a percentage of the profits.  This event might be a huge event and
>take in a considerable ammount but the host group WILL have to get a
>percentage.  Figure all of the regular heavies, lights, bards, Archers, and
>Equestrians will be there.  It could easily be an 1000 person event  the
>kingdom will get a nice percentage of that as it is a kingdom event(I wanna
>say 30%?).  9 events that are Kingdom events will still draw a good number
>of regular people plus the specialty group maybe around 250 people .  Bam
>the kingdom just got 30% of the equivalent of a 2000+ person event instead
>of 30% of a single 1000 person event.
>> Then there's the consideration that you really sometimes have to spread
>the Kingdom events around so perhaps some of the smaller areas get a chance
>at hosting a larger event and so the Crown has an excuse to go there and see
>a few hundred instead of only a hundred or so.
>> All of these are simply opinions and are not offered as motives or
>explainations for the basting the Eadric got in private to his suggestion.
>> In Service,
>>      Wilim
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at>
>> Reply-To: ansteorra-archery at
>> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:08:47 -0500
>> >I see, I need to get back on that list.
>> >
>> >Kigdom Law starts out with a blank page.  Then someone starts adding
>> >to it.
>> >
>> >That same withing six weeks could be added to any of the Champion events.
>> >In fact it would be better to have a separte "Crown's Champions" tourny.
>> >But they won't want another event to raise money for the Kingdom.
>> >
>> >But until it makes it's way into Kingdom law, we're just a bunch
>> >of----------------.
>> >
>> >Gilli
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Mills, Scott" <Scott.Mills at>
>> >To: <ansteorra-archery at>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:26 PM
>> >Subject: RE: ARCH - Royal Huntsman
>> >
>> >
>> >> Oh please don't go there.
>> >>
>> >> I just got Royally beat up on the Redtape list last week over this.
>> >the
>> >> bruises to prove it.
>> >>
>> >> Obviously Queens Champion is special.  It is protected by kingdom law.
>> >> is the only such champion event that gets that special kinda treatment
>> >> kingdom law.  Law says that It shall be held each reign and that it
>> >be
>> >> held no later than 6 weeks after coronation.
>> >>
>> >> I suggested that we reserve dates on the Kingdom Calendar for Royal
>> >> Champions other than just Queens Champion or perhaps we have a single
>> >"Royal
>> >> Champions" event where all the Royal champions are chosen on a single
>> >> weekend.  I was speaking not just out of concern for Royal Huntsman but
>> >Also
>> >> Lancer, Bard, and those other that often get overlooked and tacked onto
>> >> other events with little notice AFTER the Royal progress is announced.
>> >> maintained that IF these other events were to flourish and the
>> >> grow then there should be some additional support from the Kingdom and
>> >> Crown.
>> >>
>> >> In short I got told that the Royal Champion events other than Queens
>> >not
>> >> deserve their own date on the calendar and that one big event where
>> >> would all be chosen would not happen.  HRH Larissa said that she would
>> >never
>> >> consider sharing the Queens Champion day with any other Royal
>> >> activity period and end of subject.
>> >>
>> >> Even though it was bad on the Redtape list, I got a lot of privately
>> >> addressed of what was basically hatemail for even suggesting that we
>> >> worthy of the same consideration that Queens Champion is.
>> >>
>> >> All that said, Master Richard did volunteer that he would start putting
>> >> his monthly column a listing of all the events that he needs bids for
>> >> list all of these other Royal Championships in that list.
>> >>
>> >> In short, if WE the archery community want the Royal Huntsman tourney
>> >> happen regularly and to be included on the calendar and some notice
>> >> the WE are going to have to work with our own local branches and get
>> >to
>> >> agree to sponsor the Royal Huntsman events.  We need to do this well in
>> >> advance and be prepared AT EACH CROWN TOURNAMENT to present a bid to
>> >> Kingdom Seneschal and TRH for the Huntsman Tourney in the next reign.
>> >That
>> >> way while they are working out their Royal Progress they can consider
>> >> Royal Huntsman and award the tourney to someone.
>> >>
>> >> In Service,
>> >>
>> >> Eadric
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Dewart, Charles R. --G3 Contractor (Anteon Corp)
>> >> Subject: RE: ARCH - Royal Huntsman
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Say, speaking of progress and that sort of thing, why don't we sorta
>> >> give HRH Duncan a nugge to start thinking now about when They would
>> >to
>> >> do it when They become Their Majesties?
>> >>
>> >> Has there been any move to normalize when the Royal Huntsman will be
>> >chosen?
>> >> Like King's Champion is chosen the day of Coronation, Queen's Champion
>> >> chosen 3 weeks after Coronation.
>> >>
>> >> Yea, it just got a whole light lighter in here.  Oh, there's a light
>> >> over my head.  :)  Why don't we do it just like Queen's Champion on say
>> >the
>> >> 5th weekend after Coronation.  We could also conduct a Mini Academy of
>> >> Bow at the same time.  It would work out so that one would be in the
>> >middle
>> >> of the season and one just before Gulf War(which I think would be a
>> >> good thing).
>> >>
>> >> What do you all think?
>> >>
>> >> Gilli
>> >>
>> >>
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