[Ansteorra-archery] Archery Champions

Eadric Anstapa eadric at scabrewer.com
Sun Jul 3 09:31:04 PDT 2005


As far as I am concerned Gates Edge have never been disappointed to have 
you has our Archery Champion.  You have always acted honorably, every 
time I have seen you the Gates Edge Archery Champions banner has proudly 
been on display,  you made sure that you contacted us long in advance of 
our next championship to offer your services and to see how you could 
help.  I dont think that we have ever asked anything of you that you did 
not provide.  Of course as a Shire Champion you do not have a Baron and 
Baroness to serve so it is a little different than a baronial championship.

I would never be a person to advocate that the titled champions only be 
chosen from the local populace.  But each person seeking to be a titled 
champion should make sure that they can do what will be asked of him.  
If they can not fulfill those duties because they think they live too 
far away then that is something they need to consider but someone may 
live far away and still be able to discharge the duties quite well.

I dont think we need to have some separate category of  "Local 
Champion".  There is simply a difference in someone who holds the office 
of Champion for a branch or a Noble  and someone who is a tournament winner.

We can have lots of tournaments with prizes, and trophies, and scrolls 
that do not need to have branch championships associated with them.  You 
dont have to limit yourself to one tournament a day.  Most (not all) 
events have time to run two tournaments in a single day.   We always TRY 
to have a separate prize or fun shoot at our events that is not for 
title of Shire Champion.  We plan on trying to do that again this year.

We want everyone to come and have a good time.  We want everyone to 
shoot as much as we can.  We want everyone to have the opportunity to be 
a tournament winner and we want to again choose a champion that will 
represent the Shire well. 


HL Eadric Anstapa
/eadric at scabrewer.com/ <mailto:eadric at scabrewer.com>

Ferguson wrote:

> Greetings to all archers.
> On the subject of archery champions - apparently most comments and 
> opinions have been offered.
> I noticed that most contributors agree that there are different 
> expectations of the champions:  local archery champions and event 
> tournament champions.  That difference appears to be the main subject.
> As Ulrich pointed out - event tournament champions must 'shoot to 
> win'.  Local loyalty or honor is not a part of actual shooting.  
> Competitors are expected to act honorably and respectful, but that 
> does not win event tournaments.  Skill does!
> Eadric pointed out - local  archery champions must satisfy the 
> barony's/shire's policies and expectations; including honor, chivalry, 
> loyalty, etc., attending local events, helping at practices, and of 
> course, service to the baron or nobles as requested.  Obviously skill 
> is required to win, but more is required after the competition.  
> Perhaps the additional requirements should also be part of the 
> awarding of local championships (1/2 tournament, 1/2 service, etc.).
> As jsspinks pointed out - perhaps there is some way the eventholders 
> could let all competitors know which type of event it will be and what 
> will be expected of the champions.
> Until then, Lord Alden's suggestion to consult with the nobles may be 
> the only alternative.  Several archers trying to contact a local noble 
> that will make a decision regarding an archery competition may prove 
> to be difficult.  But, for now that may be our only option.
> I am in that position now.  I am the current archery champion for the 
> Shire of Gates Edge.  I am also the current archery champion of the 
> Barony of Bryn Gwlad.
> Once I realized what may be expected of local champions I stopped 
> competing out of town.  That is a shame. I am missing a great deal, 
> and the local barony's and shires could end up with closed 
> tournaments.  The way it is now, we are discouraging out of town 
> competitors - intentionally or unintentionally. 
> As a member of Bryn Gwlad of whom I have pledged loyalty, I have been 
> able to participate in local events, feasts, archery practices and 
> local tournaments.   I have been able to be of service to Baron Thomas 
> - in other words - perform the duties of a local Titled Champion.
> I have not been able to provide those same services or perform the 
> duties of the local archery champion for the Shire of Gates Edge.  And 
> that is not right - it is not fair to the members of the shire.  
> Fortunately Gates Edge has a real strong archery program and they did 
> not need me.  That is not true for many other barony's or shire's.
> I have only been in the SCA a little over two years so I was not aware 
> of what may be expected of me as the local Titled Champion.   
> However,  bowing out or quitting a tournament would never have been an 
> option to me -   in my opinion that would be an insult to all other 
> competitors in the tournament. If you are going to shoot, shoot to win 
> or do not compete.  Anything less would only discredit archery within 
> the SCA.  Again - that is my opinion.
> SCA archery is very unique.  I would like to see all archers make sure 
> we preserve that uniqueness.  I can attest to that uniqueness (I am 69 
> and retired.  I have only been shooting for 3 years, but I have the 
> time to participate in several competitions);  I shoot SCA 
> tournaments, Senior Olympics, and various 3-D tournaments.  I 
> also teach basic archery and hold classes about the history of 
> archery.  Believe me - SCA archery is different from all the others, 
> and very special. 
> Having said that, I hope we would not allow archery tournaments to 
> become closed to out of town visitors - intentionally or 
> unintentionally.  Mundane gas prices will hurt us enough as it is.
> Perhaps you have come up with a solution.  Separate the two archery 
> championships:  local champion and event champion.  Let all 
> competitors know which kind of competition it is, and what will be 
> expected of the champion.
> Would separating local archery championships from event archery 
> championships help?  I have not researched it, but it would seem 
> logical that's the way it would have been done in period.  Local 
> champions take on all visiting challengers.
> As Robert suggested, hold local competitions for local champions 
> and event tournaments for tournament champions.
> Lady Lyneya de Grey is this something the Kingdom (and Pug) would help 
> with?
> Thank you for allowing me to comment.  And again I apologize to the 
> members of Gates Edge for not being able to serve them better as their 
> archery champion, but perhaps some good will come of it.
> As always, in service.
> Fergus d'Onray

// <mailto:eadric at scabrewer.com>

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