[Ansteorra-archery] Awards and the Crown...

Paul Thorne paulthorne at earthlink.net
Tue Aug 1 15:00:35 PDT 2006

Greetings Master Pug and the list,

    I could be wrong (and if I am surely Lady Lyneya will tell me by
repeated kicks to the shin) but I think the gist of Lady Lyneyas'  message
is probably that if an award, especially a Grant level or higher award, is
going to be given out for something specific (i.e. Arc d Or, White Scarf,
Centurion) then it would have been best served to have it done at and event
that was possibly better suited for that particular award.  Giving out a
White Scarf at the Academy of the Bow for instance is not going to allow a
majority of the rapier community to be able to partake in the celebration of
the award.  My understanding is that at Queens Champion the number of active
archers could probably be counted on one hand.  When these awards are given
out you are absolutely correct that it is supposed to be a token of esteem
and a surprise.  They also should serve to show to that particular community
what kind of person that this award is supposed to exemplify.  Not that the
rapier community does not appreciate the archery side of the world, because
there is certainly enough people that do both, but mayhap it would have been
better served where more archers could have had a chance to see what we
should aspire to be should we so desire to travel that particular path.

    I understand that the Crown can't just wait to give out specific awards
at specific events as that would create a serious backlog. I really don't
have an answer on how to solve this conundrum.  I too wish I could have been
there but my travel schedule is tied up with the A.O.B. and since I'm not
particularly active in rapier at this time I chose not to travel to Queens
Champion, so my loss at missing a good friends elevation to the Arc d' Or.

In service I remain,

Lord Jean-Paul de Calmont
Arcarius to HL Eadric Anstapa CAOA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
To: "'Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra'"
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Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Awards and the Crown...

> Lyneya de Grey said something that sounded like:
> > Congratulations Don Cristoforo! I cannot think of a better choice to
> > the white bracer, but I will admit to being somewhat disheartened and
> > confused as to why your your elevation was made at an event where there
> > virtually no archers present other than those who are also light
fighters as
> > yourself. Sir Lasguaard and I were at Queens until shortly before Court
> > began, it seems. As archers, we would have been pleased to stay through
> > court if we had had any knowledge that an elevation was to have been
> > You Don Cristoforo, the Order of the Arc d'Or, and the archery community
> > deserved more respect than was shown on Saturday, in my humble opinion.
> Good Morning,
>   I have to admit that I am a bit disheartened by your message.
> it is a trend and not an isolated incident.
>   The Crown does not, and should not, let people know when they are going
> give out an award. It is up to them when and *if* they given an award.
This is
> because awards are supposed to be a token of their esteem *and* a
surprise. If
> someone is told about a high ranking or unique award being given, it is
> that most of the people at the event will know - including the recipient.
>   For example, there were many Laurels who could not make my elevation
> they didn't know about it - many who did know about it found out only a
> days before and couldn't change their travel plans. The only reason some
> people were told beforehand was because there were plans needed for the
> and who was speaking for me. Was I upset by people not being there? Hell
no! I
> was glad to be surprised by it and the fact that it was kept a secret as
> as it was. I was amazed that they actually kept it from me, but IMNSHO
> was only because we didn't go to any events between the decision and my
> elevation.
>   I have said, and I think more people should start teaching, that if you
> to see your friends get awards, you need to stay for court. Why? Because
> is what Peers and Nobles do. Even if you are not one today, these are the
> ideals our Society strives for. If you are at an event and leave, it is
> own fault that you didn't get to cheer when they get called up to get the
> recognition they need from the Crown and the populace. If lots of people
> leave, it then lessens the award for the recipient possibly to being
> when no one is there to cheer for them. This is true for our friends as
> as those we haven't even met yet.
>   I will now step down from my soap box.
> Ciao,
> Master Phelim Gervase called Pug, OP, OL, etc
> All around pain
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