[Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery
Doug Copley
doug.copley at gmail.com
Tue Feb 10 07:49:49 PST 2009
I am very happy to hear of things like this as I plan to expand my
archery in the future to include CA.
Thanks for letting us know.
Vincenti
guylestran at aol.com wrote:
> Please understand that not all Knights are against it.
>
> I see Combat Archery as a part of war and in every Kingdom in which I
> have had a part in the Armt Structure I have created an Archery Captain
> postion.
>
> There is however a very vocial group to include some knights that feel
> as Mast Pug states.
>
> As a matter of fact this past Pennsic the Atlantian King gae out 4
> Sharks Tooths(Atlantian award for valor/cool stuff on the field) to
> combat archers after they pretty much decimated the other side on one of
> Atlantia's end bridges.
>
> I have a crossbow that I use.
>
> Sir Guy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
> <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:08 am
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery
>
> greetings
>
> master pug , it may be a quick and dirty version of the history, but a
> very accurate one it is indeed ; )
> and much better written than my earlier reply.
>
> be safe, be happy, have fun
> arthur
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Pug Bainter
> *To:* 'Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra'
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:05 AM
> *Subject:* [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery
>
> Good Morning,
>
> I think there is something that a few of us have seen because of
> our roles
> in the upper archery marshal arena, that the majority of the archers
> have
> not. This viewpoint is one that gives new light onto some of the
> arguments
> when issues with Combat Archery come up. This is a very simplified
> history
> with a lot of other arguments in between, but it gives you an idea.
>
> Combat Archery was founded and there were very few archers, but
> they were
> having fun and kept coming back despite having their ammo destroyed
> all the
> time because of the materials. In general the fighters are having a good
> time with it because there are so few archers that even the good
> ones can
> only make a limited amount of difference to a major battle.
>
> During all of this there are a vocal group of fighters including
> Knights
> that are arguing that Combat Archery is unsafe and unrealistic. It
> should be
> banned from the SCA so we can get on with fighting like real men do.
>
> At some point early in my fighting career (about 10-11 years ago now),
> Combat Archery made a big leap in effectiveness on the battle field.
> This
> effectiveness was due to two factors, the quality of the archers and the
> quantity of the archers. Because of this, the argument about combat
> archery
> not being safe came up and APDs were created a year or so later.
> This caused
> a lot of combat archers to drop off the field because of the anger
> they had
> or the cost/hassle of getting their equipment up to standard.
>
> During all of this there are a vocal group of fighters including
> Knights
> that are arguing that Combat Archery is unsafe and unrealistic. It
> should be
> banned from the SCA so we can get on with fighting like real men do.
>
> This was fine for a couple years and then enough archers had
> switched to
> crossbow because of the effectiveness and the quality and quantity of
> archers went up. Because of this, the argument about it not being
> safe came
> up because of the complex rules and there being too many styles of
> ammo and
> APD. This caused some angst and cost/hassle so some combat archers
> dropped
> off the field.
>
> During all of this there are a vocal group of fighters including
> Knights
> that are arguing that Combat Archery is unsafe and unrealistic. It
> should be
> banned from the SCA so we can get on with fighting like real men do.
>
> There was a new design of Baldar blunts (eggs) that were sold without
> going through the proper approval process. This caused a lot of
> archers to
> spend money since they were very effective with the way they transferred
> energy which meant that fighters called their shots more often.
> After going
> through some testing, these were found to be unsafe and recalled. This
> caused some angst and cost/hassle so some combat archers dropped off the
> field.
>
> During all of this there are a vocal group of fighters including
> Knights
> that are arguing that Combat Archery is unsafe and unrealistic. It
> should be
> banned from the SCA so we can get on with fighting like real men do.
>
> Things settled down and archers came back to the field. This last
> year,
> there were incidents with the recall of the one piece Baldar blunts
> because
> of a design flaw as well as with some ammo at Pennsic that started
> another
> argument about the safety of Combat Archery. This caused several
> years worth
> of Baldar blunt purchases to be replaced, as well as all UHMW ammo
> to have
> to add foam and meet previously non-existent maximum amounts of foam in
> front of the head rules. This caused some angst and cost/hassle but
> it looks
> like it did not cause any combat archers to drop off the field.
> Matter of
> fact, because of intelligently planning ahead and working with other
> kingdoms there have been few enough changes to the Ansteorran combat
> archers
> in the last several years that I think we are getting more archers
> back on
> the field.
>
> During all of this there are a vocal group of fighters including
> Knights
> that are arguing that Combat Archery is unsafe and unrealistic. It
> should be
> banned from the SCA so we can get on with fighting like real men do.
>
> There were lots of side arguments during all of this including
> some of my
> favorites of just using plain UHMW heads without padding, getting rid of
> weight limits on bows, and using golf ball heads without padding. As
> well,
> some of the Kingdoms weren't as well informed during the rules
> changes and
> their archers are having some problems now. There are a couple
> kingdoms that
> have fairly light poundage on their crossbows and the most recent
> Society
> rules changes has caused a fair number of the weapons to not be legal
> anymore and has probably caused their archers to be angry and incur more
> cost to get back on the field, if they do at all right now.
> Fortunately for
> us we paid attention to the data our marshals had gathered and knew
> that the
> change would impact very few, if any, of our combat archers.
>
> So for us, our Earl Marshal, our Archery Marshals, and our Crown,
> we have
> to figure out how to be diplomatic and logical in our fight to keep
> combat
> archery around. We have to take the moral high ground since anything
> else
> will just prove 'their' point. While we may not like it or
> understand why it
> really matters in the long run, unfortunately it sometimes means
> only being
> able to carry 15 pieces of ammo at a time in the ravine in order to have
> Combat Archery at all in the ravine.
>
> This is *not* to say that we just roll over whenever something stupid
> comes out, but it does mean we have to be well informed about the
> circumstances and plead a reasonable case and not an emotional knee jerk
> reaction. This will help combat archery to survive.
>
> Btw, the vocal group of fighters and Knights against this is a
> very small
> group, but they are so rabid about their argument that they can
> cause even
> the most pro-archery people to throw up their arms in surrender. I was
> talking to a Knight about it just this weekend who had finally given up
> because of the way it was making him to react.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Pug Bainter
> Phelim Gervase called Pug
> Dark Horde Moritu - Barony of Bryn Gwlad - Kingdom of Ansteorra
> pug at pug.net
>
>
>
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