[Ansteorra-archery] While were shaking things up ...
ld.blackmoon at cox.net
Wed Feb 15 21:15:10 PST 2012
actually the people in elfsea have done something similar in the past , I
still have a seashell token given me by the then baroness as recognition for
shooting the tourney with more than one weapon style ( crossbow, and recurve
as I hadn't made my fist longbow yet at that time :)
>>Help others, teach others,
> guide others, LEAD others, that is a CHAMPION (at least in my opinion)
see, and just when you start to think they may be too hard he....
uuummm....young to understand , they say something to make you proud !!!
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Copley" <doug.copley at gmail.com>
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] While were shaking things up ...
> What about doing a tourney that requires you shoot all forms of archery,
> longbow, recurve, crossbow, and combat archery. We could even do it where
> you have to show up with no arrows made, you have to make them and shoot
> them and you are timed.
> There are an endless number of shoots that can be done. Some of these
> start to border on ridiculous, but Arthur is right. It is up to the
> Marshal running it and the B&B or Crown that they are running it for.
> I also believe that a true Champion wins it once to prove they can, then
> helps others to get there and win it also, then from time to time they can
> come back and win it again but it not be back-to-back-to-back with only
> one person in between all of the time. Help others, teach others, guide
> others, LEAD others, that is a CHAMPION (at least in my opinion)
> On 2/15/2012 9:51 PM, Ld.blackmoon wrote:
>> sorry , I'm really not trying to pick on you .
>> but , this is one of the problems I have noticed in the past , and you
>> have just brought it to the forefront , so I figure I better comment on
>> it before I forget it again.
>> your post pushes the image that true " champions " do only one thing "
>> win the title ".
>> I'm sorry to see that as an example in any sport, especially archery .
>> but it does spot light the difference between combat archers " heavy
>> weapons " mentality. and target archers mentality.
>> as a heavy weapons fighter there is one directive " win " ,
>> unfortunately some lose sight of the more important aspects of the
>> competition, and you see them wearing rhino plate armor, or ignoring
>> shots , etc....
>> this gains them no respect , so I don't see why it should be different
>> on the archery ranges : /
>> while in the target archery community it has been common to understand
>> that how you act , speak to your fellow archers,spectators, etc. is some
>> times more important than a " title ".
>> and deciding whether or not you can fulfill the duties and obligations
>> of that title are always more important than actually " winning " that
>> title .
>> I have seen newbie's post of wanting to enter championship title shoots
>> in order to take out as many other archers as possible ... and yet they
>> have no desire to fulfill the obligations of that title, no desire to
>> test themselves against the best archers attending that event , it
>> saddens me to see posts of this nature , because those people really
>> believe that a bad attitude, lack of honor,and drama , will make archery
>> much more exiting to watch / participate in : (
>> as to multiple champions, all we can do is discuss possibilities, it is
>> up to the crowns to decide what they want , where they want it and how
>> they want it . we don't make the decisions, all we do is give them
>> options .
>> your correct there are many prejudices even in the missile community,
>> should we all be required to shoot only period gear, should crossbows
>> have their own championships, titles, should crossbowmen be made to only
>> shoot while standing with one foot in the air, one hand on their butt,
>> while singing god save the queen ??? at this time those are all left up
>> to the individual marshals running the shoots, their personal
>> prejudices, and skills as a marshal.
>> if I really don't want a recurve to win , I limit the competition to
>> period gear ,if I don't want a longbow / recurve to win , I stack the
>> rounds so that crossbows are much more likely to win ( static distances,
>> no timed rounds, longer ranges ) if I don't want crossbows to win I
>> reverse it, multiple ranges, speed rounds, close targets, over obstacle
>> targets at close range, limited shots, a good and fair marshal will try
>> to give everyone an equal chance to win without inflicting their own
>> prejudices on the tournament.
>> but the truth is many marshals aren't that skilled , so you see a lot of
>> " fun " shoots in title competitions, that rely on luck instead of
>> skill, or shoots obviously tilted one way or another.
>> again a lot of options and things to think about.
>> just my opinion
>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Edwards"
>> <wilim.penbras at pandora.org>
>> To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
>> <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:29 AM
>> Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] While were shaking things up ...
>>> Can we eliminate speed rounds? Cause I suck at those. I mean really...
>>> what we're asking for is a tournament that suits us right?
>>> We have a tourney format currently that is going to exclude Static
>>> shooters and that pretty much sucks big time. I'm not sure how me
>>> being able to get an extra round worth of points means you have to be
>>> that much better. If we get to that final round and we're close and I
>>> can shoot CA and you can't, then you're darn right I should be able to
>>> have that advantage. I worked for it. I practiced every week and
>>> learned the same as an archer perfecting his speed round.
>>> I've seen complaints with many different Formats... Crossbows being
>>> allowed to sit, Shooting at 3d targets, Static targets @ unknown
>>> ranges without a chance to practice on those targets, Even if a target
>>> was setup for warmup people wanted to figure out which leaf they we're
>>> going to use to Bullseye those "unknown" distances.
>>> The simple fact of the matter is that people will always want a format
>>> that suits them. I don't want a tourney that makes previous rounds
>>> moot. But if there's a round your not going to do well in or not going
>>> to be able to compete at all in... Yeah... do better in the rounds you
>>> can compete in. And trust than any archer that can be near the top at
>>> the end of the competition and then load on armor and switch to blunts
>>> and dominate THAT field too... well then they are what we call
>>> I really don't see that having a War Champion and a Peace Champion
>>> helps any except to enshrine into law only being able to compete half
>>> the time... Sitting out one round or sitting out one Tourney... I
>>> think I know which I'd pick.
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