[Ansteorra-missile] Re: Ansteorra-missile Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7

Mon Sep 12 17:02:56 PDT 2005

There's a lot ot cover here and a lot of it depends on one's philosophy of the game. My approach is that I'm out there to have fun and to assist my side in the battle.So I don't worry about an arrow once its on its way down range. If the subjct (victim) feels the hit and calls it then all the better but I'm usually reloading and moving so I may not see it. If he doesn't feel it then he isn't obliged to call it and there is no dishonor in that. If he knows it is good and doesn't call it then it his honor not mine that's in jeapardy. As for those time when the recepient isn't sure, well, if I see it isn't good I let him know if I can. There is a lot of confusion out there on the field and there are bound to be honest mistakes so I don't fret the small stuff. 
   It is a sorce of frustration for many archers to see a good shot not be called by a fighter but I would argue that our ratio of  missed, close but not quite, good but not called, and "got him!" is equivalent to a swordsman or a spearman. A swordsman will strike many blows and most of them will be blocked or missed or light. Only a few will be  kill shots. I think if you examined the number in each category you would fing it equivalent to what an archer experiences. Its a little bit more of a nuisance for us as we have to reload after each shot. It takes seconds for us to deliver three shots while only a fraction of that time for a swordsman. 
  On the subject  of misfires my attitude is "So it misfired- reload and shoot again."   The reason the comment about reloading without looking at the string is a stock answer is because it has a geat deal of merit.  If your having trouble putting an arrow on the string I think the most likely problem will be the gloves you are wearing. I use baseball or sports gloves and they work great for me. 
Robin

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Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:32:18 -0500
From: Mike 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-missile] Re: Ansteorra-missile Digest, Vol 25,
Issue 6
To: Missile combat in Ansteorra 
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Agree on being short lived, especially in an open field battle. And not 
having or moving to reload does mean that you would wound up being 
dead. On a more serious note, I feel the need to ask a couple of 
questions which the answers are never clear cut and clear in any one's mind.

How do you deal with two separate items or rather issues on the field - 
reloading while also being able to answer a question from the opposing 
side about if the arrow that you just shot -

Did the arrow hit was a valid or "good" shot upon your intended target?

And please do not bring up the stock answer about one should be able to 
re-load without looking, especially with APD's on the arrows nor as some 
have suggested that one should use the back of APD's as the lock - which 
has it's own distinct issues and/or concerns which have been discuss 
about the Hugh percentage of mis-fires. Plus, how difficult it is to 
maintained contact with the string and the back of the APD's.

Do you or anyone even bring this up when working with other CA's, while 
stressing to them about all the other things that they need to keep in 
mind while on the field?

If so, then somewhere it is being lost and this is due to the reactions 
that I am receiving from heavy fighters when I waved them back on the 
field when I clearly see that the one of my arrows failed to actually 
strike a valid or "good" area upon their person and the surprise look on 
their face when I do.

Or is this something new and have been not really be discuss before in 
depth?

I believe if this action or rather this mind set should also brought up 
and explained then Combat Archery might not have such a "bad" rep among 
those outside of it. There will always be people who think ill of any 
group that is not within their "idea" or their game plan.
Example - I was asked by a fighter that fights with a spear on the field 
about some the negative comments that he had received from opposing 
fighters when he "killed" them. You know what, it was basely the same 
type of comments I and all other CA's have heard over time - the only 
difference was the noun being used, instead of superman it was "Archer, 
%$%#@#^&".

The rest of the fighting community is and has been stressing to both 
current and up and coming fighters about being Chivalric both on and off 
the field. IMHO, the best and easiest way or perhaps approach for a 
Combat Archer is accepted or at least be thought of in a "kinder light" 
to actually provide feedback and not only when the opposing fighter(s) 
ask for validation but more importantly when "Arrow Did Not Hit a Valid 
Or "Good" area to be consider a "kill". There is nothing that prevents 
in the rules for a CA to provide this type of Negative Target Feedback 
and should be encourage as mush as possible.

The results for me have been that from the non-Belt to the Belt and 
Nobility have stopped for a brief second to salute me with their weapon, 
then we go back to the business at hand - which is to complete the 
scenario, remain alive while trying our best within the rules to remove 
the other side.

Michael Kettering

Robin Allen wrote:

> Yes I'm pretty much just messing with you. I've always stressed to the 
> CA with whom I've worked to reload quickly. Naked bows equals dead 
> archers. Besides we tend not to live that long on the battlefield anyway.
>
>
> Then on the hand - I have to ask -
> "Are you just messing with me?" :-)
>
> Take care,
>
> Michael Kettering
>
>
>
> Robin Allen wrote:
>
> > YOU MEAN YOU'RE NOT RELOADING!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > I do NOT wave with my full gauntlet, if I do then it is with the
> > bow as
> > well, I usually wave with my Archer's Gauntlet - you know the one
> > with
> > the next arrow to be shot at some bore fighter and/or another combat
> > archer. :)
> >
> > Michael Kettering
> >
> > John Moore wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Mike, to clarify. Per Society rules adopted by Ansteorra. A
> > > archer may wear a full gauntlet with a archers gauntlet with a
> > > longbow. They may also wear two archers gauntlets if they choose
> > to.
> > > Crossb! ows can wear either set. Warning expect to be
> questioned at
> > > least once while having your armour inspected. Not all
> marshals are
> > > aware of this. I know I was questioned at GW this year by a
> > Meridian
> > > knight and was lucky that Duke Patrick Michael was there to
> let him
> > > know of the change.
> > >
> > > So keep wearing your! full gauntlet that way I can see you wave
> > when
> > > you shoot me.
> > >
> > > Iaen Mor
> > > John Moore
> >
> >
> >
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> > individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
> Ayn Rand
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