ARN - tip cuts

gptaylor gtaylor at
Fri May 5 09:17:05 PDT 2000

Russell Husted wrote:

> First is the understanding of the current rules. I was told that you do not
> call tip cuts unless you both agree ahead of time.

The new rules say:
C.Blows are to be struck by thrusting with the point of the blade (thrust) or
sliding the edge of the blade (draw cut or push cut).  Optionally, upon prior
agreement of all involved fighters, blows may be struck by placing the tip and
then drawing it across an opponent (tip cut).

This rule does not have calling tips as the "default".  My opinion of tip
cuts:   You can call tip cuts any time you want to.  Unless you've agreed to it
beforehand, however, your opponent doesn't have to. If you don't make prior
arrangements, just assume that they won't call them...then be happily surprised
if they do.  I don't usually make tip cuts the focus of my attacks...they are
generally accidental when they happen, and it's not as satisfying to win on
something that was probably just sloppy technique on my part...



> Now to Quote the rule: section 4.I.A.4.c. Tip cuts and push cuts are
> optional. If any fighter chooses not to face these cuts no tip or push cuts
> will be used in that bout or melee. A fighter who does not wish to face tip
> or push cuts will inform his opponent(s) and the marshals before combat
> begins.
> So just to clear my frustration, this means that they are to be called
> unless agreed upon ahead of time that they are not to be called? Correct?
> Second is the question about the affectiveness of tip cuts. I will start by
> again quoting a rule:
> section 4.I.A.5.b. Any cut that the fighter perceives against himself that
> travels 5 inches (12cm) of the blade or on the body is considered a good
> blow.
> I very much agree that some shots are very much inaffective and really
> should not be called. But I think the quoted rule applies very well. Very
> few people have shins more than 5 inches wide, so a tip cut across the shin
> is useless for the most part. However, a tip cut across the pectoral muscles
> is very affective. I took a live steal tipcut, about 1/8th inch deep or less
> across the tendon on the front of my shoulder once. I seriously lost the
> effective use of that arm for several days. The cut was only partially the
> way through the tendon, but the effect was profound. It hurt to move that
> arm for over a month.
> Although I am argueing, I am not sort of. What I would really like is an
> agreement between fighters and the rules. I personally feel that there a
> cuts to call and cuts that do nothing. I feel tip cuts when played with a
> mind on anatomy make sence and worry that it will give rhinohiders even more
> reason to ignore even more shots.
> Yes, I am whining, but I feel strongly about this, and would really like to
> hear your feelings as well.
> sincerely,
> mahee
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