[Ansteorra-rapier] Spears for heavy Rapier

[Ed]

I agree that the simulators in armoured combat do not satisfy historic  
representation. However, the armoured field allows for more comitment  
to some techniques that are described in verious text.

Simulators on the rapier & C&T fields are good analogs while retaining  
safety feature needed to explore our brand of martial arte.

Any simulator I deside to use will have a minimum of one of these  
qualities.

I don't feel that a padded simulator is appropriate for what rapier  
and C&T has come to represent.

Gassion
Navarre's

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 20, 2009, at 9:12 PM, ihos at onebox.com wrote:

>
>      I've done Pike Skirmishes in the past for English Civil War  
> Society. We used four inches of pool noodle, duct taped to 10 feet  
> of  liner round (closet rod). A muslin bag was secured over this.  
> The pike looks like a q-tip. For safeties sake the weapon can only  
> be used one way:
>
>        From the Charged Position- Pike level, Right arm extended,  
> right hand cupped around the pike butt. Left hand under chin.  Your  
> upper body stays in this position. The pike should not move.  Right  
> leg stay planted. Step on left leg. Like a lunge. Aim for mask or  
> chest. The step produces all the force need, as the pike head is  
> solid.
>
>  Of course this was only done with small groups.  It's an idea.
>
>  In England, they use full size shafts with no pike heads. The pike  
> push turns into a rugby scrum. As both sides get close to each  
> other,  the head ends go into the air. There is no contact. It looks  
> good for the crowds but is not a true combat simulation.
>
>     No matter what we do, we are going to run into this wall. The  
> safer you make the simulation, the futher you get from the actual  
> tool. Look at our Heavy bretherans weapons
>
>
> -- 
> Thom Rolston
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed
> Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:28:38 -0500
> To: Ansteorra RapierNet
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-rapier] Spears for heavy Rapier
>
> I don't like the thought of using simulators that are so far from  
> historic examples. Gassion Navarre's Sent from my iPhone On Apr 20,  
> 2009, at 12:43 PM, Elizabeth Crouchet wrote: > So it sounds like  
> lots of people would like to find a spear to play > with. > > The  
> general consensus seems to be that some kind of metal blade on the >  
> end won't work but some kind of padded end might. > > The chiv  
> community currently uses a padded end spear. But many do not > think  
> crossing over this one as-is would be a good idea. > > OK, so let's  
> take the idea of the Chiv spear with the padded end, not > the low  
> profile end. That one already has a lot of kinks worked out of > it.  
> What might have to be different to make a spear workable for >  
> rapier? > > If not that one, then do any of the LARP groups have one  
> they play > with > that we could copy from? They might have also  
> worked out many kinks > with > their designs. > > I'd also suggest  
> that while testing whatever we come up with that a > ny > shot with  
> a spear that touches you is "good" on whatever it hits, no > matter  
> how light. Let's err on the side of caution. > > And since this  
> seems to be intended for Heavy Rapier melees, it > might be > good  
> to consider this an advanced form for Heavy Rapier (and leave C&T >  
> out of it). If we can't make it work for the masses, even as a >  
> separate > authorization, then it will never be enough fun to play  
> with. > > Any construction techies out there want to try their hand  
> again at > creating a possibly workable spear? > > I'd be willing to  
> play with them, I think. > > Claire > >  
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