[Bards] Dream? What Dream? Did you see a Dream? I know I didn't!

Ken Theriot kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com
Tue Apr 22 09:25:32 PDT 2008


LOL!!  Did I mention my stalker-like worship of Gordon Lightfoot?

 

Kenneth

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From: Esther [mailto:reese_esther at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:42 PM
To: Ansteorran Bardic list
Subject: Re: [Bards] Dream? What Dream? Did you see a Dream? I know I
didn't!

 

So, from now on, I promise, if I filk, it will ONLY be to 'The Wreck of the
Edmund Fitzgerald'.

Running away, very, very, very fast.

Emma

Ken Theriot <kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com> wrote:

Your Excellency,

 

You're absolutely right.  In hindsight I should not have mentioned that
specific song.  Stan Rogers is not truly all that well-known and using his
music for filk probably affects many fewer people than the really obviously
top-40 stuff, and should be put into a different category of "taboo."  I let
my own specific status as "uber-fan" of the man color my judgment.  I think
I even mentioned in my own post that people should use tunes that are not
well-known for filk, and Stan Rogers actually fits into that category.  

 

So I apologize for my statement regarding that particular song.  Just
because I don't like it doesn't mean 99 percent of everyone else hearing it
is going to be snapped out of their mood because of it.

 

Thank you for pointing it out.

 

Kenneth    

 

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From: Lou Burgin [mailto:lburgin at gt.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:55 PM
To: Ansteorran Bardic list
Subject: Re: [Bards] Dream? What Dream? Did you see a Dream? I know I
didn't!

 

My Dear Sir Kenneth,  Even though I agree about "bad filk", I must put
another side to things.  The particular song you referenced, I heard the
filk first. I had never heard of Stan Rogers until I was told where that
song came from.  The song in and of itself is not grossly mundane unless you
know the original.  I understand your point of view, but everyone has their
own yardstick of "acceptable" mundanity. Yours is obviously shorter than
mine.  You know that I love you and Adelaide, so I hope I am not sounding
too critcal. I am just presenting the other side of the coin.  Thanks for
letting me share.  H E AmberLea

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From: Ken <mailto:kentheriot at ravenboymusic.com>  Theriot 

To: 'Ansteorran <mailto:bards at lists.ansteorra.org>  Bardic list' 

Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [Bards] Dream? What Dream? Did you see a Dream? I know I
didn't!

 

<Their mundaneness then trickled down into our humble camp via many others
where it proceeded to fight us for our own suspension of disbelief.>

 

I feel I must jump in here as the above statement relates directly to our
craft.  For me, bardic performances have provided some of the few golden
moments in my SCA career (over 20 years now.uggh) when I felt the "magic" of
being lost in that long-ago we come to the SCA to find.  So even though not
all of my performance pieces are intended to do that (The Feast Song, for
example, is meant to evoke a magic of another kind.laughter), one thing I
try REALLY hard to do is NOT snap people out of their suspension of
disbelief.  That is the ultimate no-no as far as I'm concerned.  So this is
why Adelaide and I are so against the fairly common practice in the bardic
community of "bad filk."  Notice I didn't say "all filk."  To me, creating a
bardic performance from a blatantly modern song is what snaps me out of my
"suspension of disbelief."  Go ahead and filk other original SCA songs, no
problem (as long as you credit the original composer/author), and filk
unknown tunes, or heaven-forbid, filk to a period tune.  But please, please,
please STOP filking to Stan Rogers Songs, or top 40 songs.  NOTHING brings
me out of the dream faster than a filk to "Will the Circle Be Unbroken," or
"Take me Home Country Roads."  And since in my mundane life, Stan Rogers was
like a god to me, I was horrified to hear "Northwest Passage" filked (and
using many of the same lyrics of Stan's song!!!) in Ansteorra!  Talk about a
dream killer.

 

So while we are calling for the halt of the dream-killers, let us also look
to our own craft to bring this about.

 

Kenneth        

 

 


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From: an angel in black ink [mailto:angelinblackink at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:02 AM
To: ansteorra bard list
Subject: Re: [Bards] Dream? What Dream? Did you see a Dream? I know I
didn't!

 

Thank you for your kind words, Elanor, it means a lot to me for you to say
such things.  

Now, Svetlana, I feel that I must clarify for you.  I'm not wanting to
change the way 

people play, I just want them to play.  You see, I've stumbled upon Laurel
camps filled

 with people talking about their mundane jobs and such and been so turned
away from

 the dream that I had to leave and return to my own.  Their mundaneness then
trickled

 down into our humble camp via many others where it proceeded to fight us
for our own

 suspension of disbelief.  We eventually won but my point is that we need to
pay

 attention to what we're doing or we might ruin it for others.  Also, there
have been a

 load of people bringing the mundane into our game *cough* 'mod squad'
*cough*

 which ruins it for many people who don't give a damn about why they're mad
at 

so-and-so.  The politics are getting out of hand.  People are getting turned
off by the 

vast freakiness of it all.  (example:  "I believe this, but I can't say it
because it'll tick off

 <insert name(s) here and they'll make my life a living hell for it.>")
It's ridiculous.  Even

 now there are those who will speak privately but do not post their feelings
here.

 

 

Yes, there are people who are deep within the Dream and perhaps I am a bit
jaded by

 all the silliness, but these people need to share their Dream with those
who don't know.

  I said it in my Work, to be without blame is nearly impossible while being
a part of the 

community.  We have a responsibility to see that the next generation of
SCAdians know

 what we really are instead of a bunch of NERO nerds squabbling over
political crumbs.

 

 

To live the Dream and to help others,

 

Xue XianXian, Miscreant at Large

  


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