[Bards] Bards Digest, Vol 56, Issue 1
Brett Chandler-Finch
naturemakeswell at gmail.com
Sun Feb 6 20:20:04 PST 2011
What is the possibility of having the accompaniment pre-recorded then
played through a boom box. This would allow for the judges to at
least hear the piece with the accompaniment.
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> 6. Re: Query (Jeffrey Clark)
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> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 17:48:00 -0600
> From: John Hirling <jhirling at gmail.com>
> To: Ansteorran Bardic list <bards at lists.ansteorra.org>,
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> Here's a question: You want to enter a vocal piece for Kingdom A & S but
> all your research affirms that the piece would be accompanied. You are
> unable to accompany yourself. How would you proceed?
> ~ihon
>
>
> "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass . . .
> it's about learning how to dance in the rain!"
>
> Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 17:52:01 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85 at gmail.com>
> To: Ansteorran Bardic list <bards at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bards] Query
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> Ask someone to accompany you. What piece are you doing?
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:48 PM, John Hirling <jhirling at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's a question: You want to enter a vocal piece for Kingdom A & S but
>> all your research affirms that the piece would be accompanied. You are
>> unable to accompany yourself. How would you proceed?
>> ~ihon
>>
>>
>> "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass . . .
>> it's about learning how to dance in the rain!"
>>
>> Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bards mailing list
>> Bards at lists.ansteorra.org
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 17:57:21 -0600
> From: John Hirling <jhirling at gmail.com>
> To: Ansteorran Bardic list <bards at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bards] Query
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> Not asking for myself. Here's the rub with asking someone else to accompany
> you: will their competency effect your performance or the scoring? It's
> fine to say it shouldn't but . . .
>
>
> "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass . . .
> it's about learning how to dance in the rain!"
>
> Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ask someone to accompany you. What piece are you doing?
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:48 PM, John Hirling <jhirling at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Here's a question: You want to enter a vocal piece for Kingdom A & S but
>> > all your research affirms that the piece would be accompanied. You are
>> > unable to accompany yourself. How would you proceed?
>> > ~ihon
>> >
>> >
>> > "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass . . .
>> > it's about learning how to dance in the rain!"
>> >
>> > Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Bards mailing list
>> > Bards at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bards-ansteorra.org
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:03:32 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85 at gmail.com>
> To: Ansteorran Bardic list <bards at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bards] Query
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> Yeah, that's the age-old question. Of course, their competency can work both
> ways: a good accompanist can work for you and enhance your sound. You
> (generic "you") just need to find someone who knows what they are doing and
> rehearse with them beforehand so that the both of you are on the same page.
>
> I would offer, but as of right now, I'm not planning on going to A&S.
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:57 PM, John Hirling <jhirling at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not asking for myself. Here's the rub with asking someone else to
>> accompany
>> you: will their competency effect your performance or the scoring? It's
>> fine to say it shouldn't but . . .
>>
>>
>> "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass . . .
>> it's about learning how to dance in the rain!"
>>
>> Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Ask someone to accompany you. What piece are you doing?
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:48 PM, John Hirling <jhirling at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Here's a question: You want to enter a vocal piece for Kingdom A & S
>> but
>> > > all your research affirms that the piece would be accompanied. You are
>> > > unable to accompany yourself. How would you proceed?
>> > > ~ihon
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass . . .
>> > > it's about learning how to dance in the rain!"
>> > >
>> > > Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Bards mailing list
>> > > Bards at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bards-ansteorra.org
>> > >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:15:56 -0800 (PST)
> From: m meaux <m_meaux05 at yahoo.com>
> To: Ansteorran Bardic list <bards at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bards] Query
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> I would do it as a solo and note in my documentation that the piece would be done as a composition in period. Or, would practice the piece with others and the ones that sang it well, I would ask to join me in the competition.
>
> Marie
>
> --- On Sun, 2/6/11, Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Bards] Query
>> To: "Ansteorran Bardic list" <bards at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Date: Sunday, February 6, 2011, 6:03 PM
>> Yeah, that's the age-old question. Of
>> course, their competency can work both
>> ways: a good accompanist can work for you and enhance your
>> sound. You
>> (generic "you") just need to find someone who knows what
>> they are doing and
>> rehearse with them beforehand so that the both of you are
>> on the same page.
>>
>> I would offer, but as of right now, I'm not planning on
>> going to A&S.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:57 PM, John Hirling <jhirling at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Not asking for myself.? Here's the rub with
>> asking someone else to
>> > accompany
>> > you: will their competency effect your performance or
>> the scoring?? It's
>> > fine to say it shouldn't but . . .
>> >
>> >
>> > "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass . .
>> .
>> > it's about learning how to dance in the rain!"
>> >
>> > Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ask someone to accompany you. What piece are you
>> doing?
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:48 PM, John Hirling
>> <jhirling at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Here's a question:? You want to enter a
>> vocal piece for Kingdom A & S
>> > but
>> > > > all your research affirms that the piece
>> would be accompanied.? You are
>> > > > unable to accompany yourself.? How
>> would you proceed?
>> > > > ~ihon
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > "Life is not about waiting for the storms to
>> pass . . .
>> > > > it's about learning how to dance in the
>> rain!"
>> > > >
>> > > > Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>> > > >
>> _______________________________________________
>> > > > Bards mailing list
>> > > > Bards at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > > > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bards-ansteorra.org
>> > > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Bards mailing list
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>> > > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bards-ansteorra.org
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:24:34 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85 at gmail.com>
> To: Ansteorran Bardic list <bards at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bards] Query
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> What is the work in question?
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:15 PM, m meaux <m_meaux05 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I would do it as a solo and note in my documentation that the piece would
>> be done as a composition in period. Or, would practice the piece with
>> others and the ones that sang it well, I would ask to join me in the
>> competition.
>>
>> Marie
>>
>> --- On Sun, 2/6/11, Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85 at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Bards] Query
>> > To: "Ansteorran Bardic list" <bards at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> > Date: Sunday, February 6, 2011, 6:03 PM
>> > Yeah, that's the age-old question. Of
>> > course, their competency can work both
>> > ways: a good accompanist can work for you and enhance your
>> > sound. You
>> > (generic "you") just need to find someone who knows what
>> > they are doing and
>> > rehearse with them beforehand so that the both of you are
>> > on the same page.
>> >
>> > I would offer, but as of right now, I'm not planning on
>> > going to A&S.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:57 PM, John Hirling <jhirling at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Not asking for myself. Here's the rub with
>> > asking someone else to
>> > > accompany
>> > > you: will their competency effect your performance or
>> > the scoring? It's
>> > > fine to say it shouldn't but . . .
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass . .
>> > .
>> > > it's about learning how to dance in the rain!"
>> > >
>> > > Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Ask someone to accompany you. What piece are you
>> > doing?
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:48 PM, John Hirling
>> > <jhirling at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Here's a question: You want to enter a
>> > vocal piece for Kingdom A & S
>> > > but
>> > > > > all your research affirms that the piece
>> > would be accompanied. You are
>> > > > > unable to accompany yourself. How
>> > would you proceed?
>> > > > > ~ihon
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Life is not about waiting for the storms to
>> > pass . . .
>> > > > > it's about learning how to dance in the
>> > rain!"
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>> > > > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > > > > Bards mailing list
>> > > > > Bards at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > > > > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bards-ansteorra.org
>> > > > >
>> > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > Bards mailing list
>> > > > Bards at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > > > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bards-ansteorra.org
>> > > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Bards mailing list
>> > > Bards at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bards-ansteorra.org
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Bards mailing list
>> > Bards at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bards-ansteorra.org
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:51:00 -0600
> From: "SBarrett" <barrett1 at cox.net>
> To: "Ansteorran Bardic list" <bards at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bards] Query
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> If I really liked the piece and thought it was a strong option for
> performance, I would proceed solo, while informing the judges that when it
> was created, it was accompanied.
> If asked why my piece was not accompanied (which I doubt would happen) I
> would simply inform the judges that it was impractical for me to arrange
> that.
>
> Showing a working knowledge of the origin of the piece should be expected,
> but I would not expect judges to lower a score because a performer didn't
> bring a partner, a choir or a band as backup.
>
> Many poetic pieces performed in Ireland (for example) were written by the
> File, or Ollamh (master bard), and were spoken by one student while another
> played the harp to accent the oration. The bard himself merely stood by,
> letting his compostion speak for itself.
> That sort of performance is possible, true, and would be neat to see, but
> the arts community should not penalize a performer for not having an orator
> and a harper - and never has, to my knowledge.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hirling" <jhirling at gmail.com>
> To: "Ansteorran Bardic list" <bards at lists.ansteorra.org>;
> <ansteorran-performers at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 5:48 PM
> Subject: [Bards] Query
>
>
>> Here's a question: You want to enter a vocal piece for Kingdom A & S but
>> all your research affirms that the piece would be accompanied. You are
>> unable to accompany yourself. How would you proceed?
>> ~ihon
>>
>>
>> "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass . . .
>> it's about learning how to dance in the rain!"
>>
>> Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bards mailing list
>> Bards at lists.ansteorra.org
>> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bards-ansteorra.org
>>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:57:49 -0600
> From: Jeffrey Clark <jmclark85 at gmail.com>
> To: Ansteorran Bardic list <bards at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bards] Query
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> "That sort of performance is possible, true, and would be neat to see, but
> the arts community should not penalize a performer for not having an orator
> and a harper - and never has, to my knowledge.'
>
> The SCA arts community, you mean. In academia or the professional world,
> performing a work that you do not have the forces to pull of is highly
> frowned upon and can--in some cases--end your career.
>
> On the other side of the issue: if I were going to Kingdom A&S with a garb
> entry and I walked in with a strip of fabric and noted in my documentation
> that it normally would have been a dress but I didn't have the
> time/means/motivation to actually turn the fabric into a dress... would that
> be acceptable too?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:51 PM, SBarrett <barrett1 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> If I really liked the piece and thought it was a strong option for
>> performance, I would proceed solo, while informing the judges that when it
>> was created, it was accompanied.
>> If asked why my piece was not accompanied (which I doubt would happen) I
>> would simply inform the judges that it was impractical for me to arrange
>> that.
>>
>> Showing a working knowledge of the origin of the piece should be expected,
>> but I would not expect judges to lower a score because a performer didn't
>> bring a partner, a choir or a band as backup.
>>
>> Many poetic pieces performed in Ireland (for example) were written by the
>> File, or Ollamh (master bard), and were spoken by one student while another
>> played the harp to accent the oration. The bard himself merely stood by,
>> letting his compostion speak for itself.
>> That sort of performance is possible, true, and would be neat to see, but
>> the arts community should not penalize a performer for not having an orator
>> and a harper - and never has, to my knowledge.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hirling" <jhirling at gmail.com>
>> To: "Ansteorran Bardic list" <bards at lists.ansteorra.org>; <
>> ansteorran-performers at yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 5:48 PM
>> Subject: [Bards] Query
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's a question: You want to enter a vocal piece for Kingdom A & S but
>>> all your research affirms that the piece would be accompanied. You are
>>> unable to accompany yourself. How would you proceed?
>>> ~ihon
>>>
>>>
>>> "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass . . .
>>> it's about learning how to dance in the rain!"
>>>
>>> Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bards mailing list
>>> Bards at lists.ansteorra.org
>>> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bards-ansteorra.org
>>>
>>>
>>
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