[Bordermarch] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 a rebuttal

[Jackie Leslie]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

Isabella
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From: "Ivy Crane" <anniemarieblack at msn.com>
To: <bordermarch at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Bordermarch] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 a rebuttal


> Grr. I'm just going to stay out of politics until i'm old enough to effect
> them. i see goods points and bad points to all sides I've read. Please
> ingnore ALL statements i have posted regarding this topic.
>                                          Lyllianne
>      "The consequence of refusing to parcipate in out politics is we are
to
> be ruled by our inferiors."
>                                                                  -Plato
>
>
>
> >From: "charles netterville" <cnetterville at ih2000.net>
> >Reply-To: Barony of Bordermarch <bordermarch at ansteorra.org>
> >To: "Barony of Bordermarch" <bordermarch at ansteorra.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Bordermarch] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 a rebuttal
> >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:35:34 -0500
> >
> >
> >   Alright, one more time, just for the thrill of the debate...
> >
> >
> >   I am the one that started this and it has been a good debate
..alittle
> >one sided (For George W.)but ..that's O.K....
> >
> >   What did you expect, posting to a list of typically the most
chivilrous
> >and conservative mindset individuals on the face of the planet? This is
the
> >S.C.A., not the D.N.C.
> >
> >   I totally support our Troops no matter where they are ...That is not
in
> >question....However ...I would like for you all realizes something that I
> >can not over look....in all the talk and defending of George W.(and our
> >troops) each and everyone of you'll have said >>>If you don't like it
> >..."Shut your mouth" or "keep your opinions to yourself"...Well, here is
a
> >new debate .....If we are fighting for freedom and the right to do what
we
> >want too....Where is my freedom of Speech..without being told to "Shut my
> >Mouth".....read the E-mails....
> >
> >   No Kandace, you read the e-mails. Where in any of my posts did I tell
> >you to shut your mouth??? No where..
> >   I believe in the right to free speech and and the right to wield it
even
> >if the wielder does so with utter disregard for the rights of others. Do
> >people want to hear what you had to say? some of them perhaps, still
others
> >would have to concider this rhetoric a direct attack on the very military
> >you now claim to support. Do you hold a very unpopular view? Yes, I
believe
> >you do. I don't feel that the left would have gotten as far as it has
> >without the help of the biased media that you unfortunately have fallen
> >victom to. Did others on this list tell you to shut up? Yes, they did. Do
> >you understand why yet? I'm sure you don't. However, I feel that if you
> >follow an open minded study of what you're being told things will stop
> >adding up and we'll be on the same page. That's what happens when
liberals
> >start acknowledging the facts.
> >
> >   I do disagree with George W...and who he is and what he lets you think
> >is he stands for ....In case you haven't heard,..If anybody says anything
> >against the Bush encampment ...that is their pat answer  "Shut your
Mouth"
> >...we still have not heard about the Capture of Ben Laden and his band of
> >terrorist...
> >
> >   More of the talking points. Aren't you tired of this yet? First they
> >said until we take control of Afganistan , then we did. Then it was well,
> >unless we capture the murderous thugs that sadaam called sons, then Bush
> >hasn't come through.. Then he did. Then it was we still haven't caught
> >Sadaam, so Bush is still failing. and then we did...
> >   On average it looks like our boys, working with the Iraqis have
stopped
> >about 80% of the terrorist activities that were about to go off. Right
now,
> >if Bin Laden were captured, Al Quida surrendered all of thier weapons and
> >converted to judaism Bush would still be a failier for something in the
> >eyes of the democrats, no matter how much good he's done, you're still
> >going to hear the spin against him. Look with your eyes, not the eyes of
a
> >liberally biased so called journalist.
> >
> >   (They're safe in Saudi)....Human rights or woman's rights being taking
> >care of over there??? ...
> >
> >   Human rights? WOMEN'S RIGHTS????? Are you kidding me??? I'm not even
> >going to answer this. Study Muslim culture and the role of a woman in the
> >middle East. Then write to me about the rights of women over there not
> >being up to par.
> >
> >   and yes we maybe rebuilding a school ..but we blew it up....
> >
> >   But are you sure? We targeted military targets. If they had comondered
a
> >school or a hospital as a terrorist hide out than what choice did those
> >boys have huh????? Give something remotely intelligent regarding this
one.
> >   When we went over there only 75% of urban areas had electricity and it
> >was only on averarge available 8 to 10 hours a day. The fact that we have
> >drinkable water and electricity up to 23 hours a day now says volumes of
> >the positive mark our guys are having over there.
> >   Yes I think those Leaders over there are Self-righteous Zealots who
want
> >to burn the world down....
> >
> >   That would be why we took them out of power, remember? The same
conflict
> >that you're complaining about now...
> >
> >   but in the same thought , I am reminded that in the U.S.,.. we have
> >Children going hungry everyday ,..we have people Sleeping in Boxes and
> >eating out of dumpers..we have dead beat Dad and mothers that never think
> >of their children having to have a roof over the heads....we have our
> >elderly that can not pay for Meds or have to buy can dog food just to
> >survive on ,....
> >
> >   Nope, can't let you get away with that balogna either... President
Bush
> >just passed the most comprehensive Senior drug plan since Rooseverlt
signed
> >the welfafe act into law, we have government programs running out the
wazzu
> >for food, housing assistance, utility bill assistance and homeless
> >advocasy. By in far, if someone is on the streets, it's not the
> >government's fault. It's theirs because they've done more than ANY other
> >country on the face of the planet to prevent it.
> >   So far as the starving children go, Show them to me... Show me the
poor
> >little darlings with bloated bellies dying from worm infestation asnd
> >malnutrition. Are you serious?????
> >
> >   We have a drug addition here that is unprecedented in any other
> >Country...(our answer ,,,Build more Prisons and hide them away)...why are
> >we not 'cleaning our own back yards" when we are willing to "mow" someone
> >else's front yard ?....
> >    What on earth are you talking about?? I'm a recovering drtug addict
and
> >an alcoholic. Addiction isn't a government crisis and how darew you try
and
> >blame them for it. It's an issue of charactor and until that individual
> >comes to his/her sences and reaches down to find that charactor, they are
a
> >menace to society and to themselves. I can speak from a first person
> >standing on that issue. It's not a matter of building more prisons to
hide
> >or cover up anything. It's the bleeding hearts thinking they can reform
> >these poor lost souls who, by the way will never have anything until they
> >wany it... Sobriety included.
> >
> >   you want to support Americans ...the next time your at a restaurant
> >eating a good meal and you see a homele! ss person on the street...why
> >don't YOU go and invite them in and feed them...why don't YOU help them
out
> >with a place to sleep for the night?..
> >
> >   Ever heard the saying, give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day,
teach
> >a man to fish and he'll eat for the rest of his life?
> >   Nuf said? Have you spent any time with the homeless? I have. Do you
> >realize how many do it through choice? Do you realize how much money they
> >can take in on a busy afternoon panhandling on a street corner? No, I'm
not
> >saying that every homeless person is like that and some genuinely are
down
> >on thier luch and just need a boost. Here again, any idea of how many
> >government programs are in place to help them too?????
> >
> >   Last time I looked they were American  just like you ...when you
realize
> >that 80% of us are one pay check away from just like them ...where is
your
> >passion...where is your out rage.....
> >
> >   Rage? Passion? You're out of you mind with rage and it's getting you
> >nowhere. And no, I'm about three paychecks from being homeless. So you
know
> >what? If I lose this job, it's MY responsibility to get another one. It's
> >MY responsiobility to care for my kids, it's MY responsibility to make
sure
> >that doesn't happen. MY RESPONSIBILITY....
> >   Not the government, not G.W. Bush, NOt you, not my friends, my family,
> >Sadaam Hussain, or any other living sole.
> >   Keep this in mind when you start spouting about RAGE. Where is MY
rage?
> >Directed at people who want to make it more difficult for me to open a
> >business and follow MY American dream. MY rage is directed to those who
> >tel;l me I should pay more taxes becuser they know better how to spend my
> >money that I do. MY rage is directed at people who would cripple our
> >military and C.I.A. to the point where another 9/11 can happen to start
> >with... Don't mistake rage for passion. The two never interchange and
since
> >both are emotional reactions they preclude logic. Without logic, we're
> >liable to believe the rhetoric you're spouting without even knowing your
> >own facts.
> >
> >   Oh yea...I'm suppose to "KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT" and my opinions to my
> >self....Jan ..I would love to give you things to send over there for the
> >kids ..but ..we have kids right here that do not have pencils and paper
for
> >school or books or ..how about shoes and cloths to wear.......and they
> >haven't had a candy bar in a year...
> >
> >   How dare you? To single out an individual who genuinely IS down on her
> >luck right now and direct that dribble towards her.
> >   This is a fine American who THINKS. Even though she's lost practically
> >everything, she can still communicate those eloquent words she shared
with
> >us yesterday and you have the gall to do this? How's this for rage?
> >   Oh, By the way, ever hear of the DESK program? That's another one I
> >donate to every year. This one makes sure kids have the pencils, paper
etc.
> >You can't show me any naked kids if you were to try and who cares how
many
> >candy bars they've eatten in the past year? How about you talk about how
> >many carrots or broccoli sprouts, why candy?
> >
> >   I want our troops home safe and sound just like everyone does ...Iraq
is
> >in trouble ,no doubt...but so are we ....How do you take out the splinter
> >in your brothers eye... if you don't take the log out of your
> >own....First..remove the log and you can see the splinter....just a
thought
> >this a.m.....K....
> >
> >   Final word. Anywhere you seek discourse, you'll surely find it. If you
> >seek poverty, you'll find it. If you're looking for the ill in man, yes,
> >you'll find that too. But, if you seek the good, guess what you find? If
> >you seek courage, guess what you find? If you seek charactor, can you
> >guess????? Perhaps you are still seeking to find that log and in the
> >process overlooking all the good that's being accomplished all over the
> >world in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
> >   Bush is only a man. He makes suggestions and whether congress and the
> >senate decide to pass it depends on them.
> >   It does seem that he's made a whole lot of good decisions, whether you
> >want to give him credit for them or not.
> >   Kandace, go and study. Read the facts, not just what the democratic
> >party tells you to believe and then write me back again. Everything I
> >defended with tonight is just information off the top of my head. Now if
I
> >can remember this much, imagine how much is out there, just waiting for
you
> >to look past the log. Love you, Charles
> >
> >
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