CR - UH Fighter Group

Amy Forsyth aforsyth at UH.EDU
Thu May 20 13:19:16 PDT 1999


Please read through this, because I believe it to be a win-win situation
for all involved.

I'm going to make one last attempt to explain my reasons for putting the
"potential for affiliation" + 'requirements for the College to be
recognized' in the affiliation clause of the interest group's Constitution.

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1)  It would not affect how the interest group is formed or ran.

2)	a)  It would give the interest group a legitimate reason for having such
a large number of people on campus....especially people who are not
directly affiliated with the University.  (a la, We're here to help this
group recruit members.)  [I do have a problem with the campus being used
solely for it's 'free' facilities.  If you're not on campus for the
students, then you shouldn't be there at all.]
	b)  There's nothing that says how actively recruitment has to be done.

3)  If it is found out that the group is formed solely for the purpose of
free usage of campus facilities, and not for the promotion of
student-campus life, then you are putting the educational careers of those
people who have signed as officers of the interest group in jeoprody.  [And
no, this is not a threat.  But it is a concern.]

4)  A statement of the required number of paid SCA memberships before the
interest group petitions for recognition by the SCA in no way means that
the interest group will ever attain the number of member-students necessary
for petitioning for SCA recognition (although that level does need to be
potentially attainable).

5)  Because the interest group is outside of the control of SCA, it can
choose to set that petition level higher than the minimum required by SCA
(ie. 5 memberships and 4 officers).  
	[And I believe that the Kingdom can make exception and approve that higher
number as necessary in order for the group to be recognized.]

6)	a)  If someone comes along who does want to restart the College.....it
is laid out plainly and clearly what is expected of the College (ie. how
big it should be, that only the students are to be the officers, etc.).  
	b)  The interest group would have plenty of forewarning that the group is
nearing the number required for petitioning for reactivation of the College.  
	c)  This would prevent a splinter group of only 5 members and 4 officers
from petitioning for reactivation of the College.  
	Imagine what would happen:  
		- If the Kingdom will not recognize the College because of it's history
and low membership, then the College would blame the interest group (ie.
the Baronies).  
		- If the College is recognized by the Kingdom, it's very likely that the
University would no longer recognize the interest group....and then the
Baronies would be upset with the College.  (But technically the group did
have the right to form and it was recognized by the Kingdom.)
		- Even if both groups are allowed to exist on campus, there'd still be
problems between the 2 groups because the College would be perceived as a
splinter faction.

	[All around it would be a very bad situation.  I don't want to see this
happen.  But with the way things stand currently, these are the scenarios
that I believe are being set up.]

7)  If the College ever does reactivate, practices at the University do not
have to end.  They can continue as before ---- must be officially announced
and have one member of the student group present at all times, plus the
group's marshal.  
	[Reserved rooms have always been and would continue to be an area of
conflict --- the whole room reservation system on campus is just horrible.
That's why the most recent incarnation of the College held most of it's
meetings at a house near to campus rather than on campus.]

8)  If the College is not reactivated, then Stargate would be able to say
that it at least made a valid attempt to reactivate the College.  At that
time the College could be formally declared disolved and the College's
money be turned over to the Kingdom.  [Criteria would need to be
established:  time limit, etc.]
	This in no way means that the Constitution of the interest group would
need to change.

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To summarize:

This provides for an amicable changeover of the control of the group on
campus should a viable (keyword!) College group ever form.

This provides for the formal dissolution of the College if it cannot be
formed, pending an establishment of criteria.

By inclusion of the expectations of the College, it prevents the formation
of a splinter group which would be damaging to the Region.

It acknowledges the connection that the interest group has with SCA and
provides a reason for the presence of non-University people.

And it still achieves the goal of creating an interest group so that
fighter practices can be held on campus.

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Again, this would in no way establish the College on campus.  But it would
define the perimeters under which the Barony(ies) and Kingdom are willing
to accept the existance of the College and avoid a potentially problematic
situation.

I think this is reasonable.  
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I think this is a sound course of action.



I've laid out everything I can think of concerning how this "potential
affiliation" + 'requirements' would work.  No one can accuse me of scheming
or bias here because this formula also provides for the dissolution of the
College while maintaining the fighter practice above all else.  If I was
hiding anything, it was nothing but good intentions.

~Adela

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