[Elfsea] Ok, lets talk about Defender and Springfaire

Shaw, Donnel ShawD at chisd.com
Tue Oct 29 09:37:23 PST 2002

It is good that you have an opinion but please remember it is up to the
group to decide what we do.

Caelin is right. We don't want to take away the importance of the other
defenders. As for the Children defenders that we have I would suggest you
talk to any of the mothers and fathers and see how they would react. It
might not be pretty.

Donnel Shaw
Acting Central Regional Youth Combat Marshal
Pre K

-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Rayburn [mailto:timothy at elfsea.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:17 AM
To: elfsea at ansteorra.org
Subject: RE: [Elfsea] Ok, lets talk about Defender and Springfaire

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Shaw, Donnel" <ShawD at chisd.com>

>I disagree. We have spent to many years to have the rapier community
>recognized. We intentually stressed the inclusion of that champion. As well
>as the Archery defender.   Spring Fair was to be our Children's event and
>our fun event after a year of stress and work on the part of the
>populas. I would argue strongly on the both Champions.
>Donnel Shaw
>Pre K

With respect, I don't believe this has been so for some time now.  Putting
on an event is never easy, and of late Springfaire has been a more involved
undertaking than Defender has.  I do not doubt that what you say is true
from when Defender had major culture camps organized within the Barony, and
the like.  But these days, the 'routine' of Defender almost makes it an
easier event to put on, and few within the Barony have been organizing
Culture Camps for Defender.

I firmly believe in the Rapier community, and the suggestion comes as a way
to breath new life into that community.  I believe that the trend of late at
Defender, to hold the Heavy and Light list at the same time due to 'time
concerns' robs the show, the attention, from each of the communities.

With only a Heavy list and an Archery list at Defender there is time to give
large amounts of attention to both of these.  The Archery list can have the
full and undivided attention of the B&B.  Meanwhile a interesting or
challenging more 'fun' list can be run for the Rapier community.

Meanwhile, at Springfaire we can focus on choosing the Rapier Champion, and
Bard of Elfsea.  We can host a Pas, or a bear pit tourney for the heavy
fighters that will focus on enjoyment and not competition.  Likewise for
Archery, we can have a bag shoot or other 'laid back' non-competition type

I realize that this would be a change in traditions, but it might be a
change that could make a positive move in the prestige of our tournaments
and the enjoyment of the Champion/Defender competitions by all who are


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