[Hellsgate] Fighter Practice

Wed Sep 18 09:33:26 PDT 2013

I'm confused. Are we talking about personal gear or loaner gear?

--In humble service to the barony of Bryn Gwlad
Lady Magdalena Cortez

On Sep 18, 2013, at 11:13 AM, John Atkinson <johnmatkinson at gmail.com> wrote:

> A complete set of rapier armor costs less than a quality rapier... I
> honestly don't understand the objection.  This is not Dungeons and Dragons
> - you have to invest something in the game in order to play.
> 
> There are entry barriers to the games we play.  You can't cook if you don't
> buy ingredients and cookware.  You can't sew without cloth and needles.
> And you can't fight without purchasing fighting kit.
> 
> As Helene said, if it is a matter of fabric for the body armor, a group
> purchase of a quantity of linen of the appropriate weight might bring the
> price down for each purchaser.
> 
> Gorgets can be built of leather - and that can also be purchased relatively
> cheaply if it is part of a group purchase.
> 
> For gloves, cheap leather gardening gloves can be bought at Wal-Mart.
> 
> For cups and masks, I got nothing.  Then again, I value my eyes and
> genitals too much to consider discount face or groin protection.
> 
> What we do is a martial activity - it is a combat sport.  Rapier or heavy,
> it carries an inherent set of risks which are mitigated by wearing proper
> equipment and observing the minimal safety precautions enshrined in Society
> and Kingdom Law.  Failing to do so exposes the officers of a group and the
> organization as a whole to legal liability if someone gets hurt.  It also
> exposes the newest and most vulnerable fighters to an unconscionable level
> of risk.  I'd be more likely to do slow drills with no helmet on with
> another experienced fighter, but put a new fighter in front of me, and you
> had better believe I'm wearing a helmet because the new fighter has not
> developed the control necessary to be safe.
> 
> Ioannes
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Erwin Simmons <ESIMMONS001 at hot.rr.com>wrote:
> 
>> Thank you for those tips, we knew about some of them. Sadly it is more
>> about available funds than sources...lol
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/18/2013 8:11 AM, John Atkinson wrote:
>> 
>>> In the meantime, to address OTHER issues:
>>> 
>>> http://kelly.dwarfworks.com/**sca/armor/gettingStarted.php<http://kelly.dwarfworks.com/sca/armor/gettingStarted.php>
>>> 
>>> http://www.zenwarriorarmory.**com/catalog.php?item=248&**
>>> catid=63&ret=catalog.php%**3Fcategory%3D63<http://www.zenwarriorarmory.com/catalog.php?item=248&catid=63&ret=catalog.php%3Fcategory%3D63>
>>> 
>>> http://www.zenwarriorarmory.**com/catalog.php?item=259&**
>>> catid=43&ret=catalog.php%**3Fcategory%3D43<http://www.zenwarriorarmory.com/catalog.php?item=259&catid=43&ret=catalog.php%3Fcategory%3D43>
>>> 
>>> http://www.zenwarriorarmory.**com/catalog.php?item=166&**
>>> catid=41&ret=catalog.php%**3Fcategory%3D41<http://www.zenwarriorarmory.com/catalog.php?item=166&catid=41&ret=catalog.php%3Fcategory%3D41>
>>> 
>>> http://kelly.dwarfworks.com/**sca/armor/<http://kelly.dwarfworks.com/sca/armor/>
>>> 
>>> Zen Warrior shipped to Afghanistan with about 2 weeks shipping time.  I've
>>> seen rapier body armor get knocked out in a single day, but that was with
>>> an excellent and practiced seamstress who had a pattern that was close to
>>> correct for me.
>>> 
>>> Just for your awareness.
>>> 
>>> Ioannes
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Stephan <stephan at hellsgatearts.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have no active Rapier marshall, but i will work on getting mine.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> YIS,
>>>> Stephan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________**__
>>>>  From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Stronghold of Hellsgate <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org**>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:52 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] Fighter Practice
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ummm. . . What is going on up there?
>>>> 
>>>> Ioannes
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Erwin Simmons <ESIMMONS001 at hot.rr.com
>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I am sorry for the mistype...it is All Rapier activity, fighting,
>>>> practice
>>>> 
>>>>> and or slow work must cease.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Again my apologies
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ld. Eric
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/17/2013 8:54 PM, Erwin Simmons wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good Gentles of the Stronghold of Hellsgate, it is with a heavy heart
>>>>>> that I must send this notice. Until further notice all Rapier activity,
>>>>>> fighting, practice and or slow work must seize.
>>>>>> Also Chivalric will be restricted based on specific criteria, which I
>>>>>> shall go over on Wednesday at A&S and Thursday at Social. Once again I
>>>>>> regret this action and pray that it shall be quickly resolved.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yours in Service
>>>>>> Lord Eric Bentbow
>>>>>> Seneschal   Stronghold of Hellsgate
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