[ANSTHRLD] question about baronial service order award charters

[Duncan Hepburn]

Thanks for the authoritative answer Master Robin.

So the answer I am understanding is that landed nobles who are elevated
to that station, and upon elevation become members of the baronial
service order by right of being the principal are not entitled to
charters signed by anyone but the crown, correct?

I understand your points, and they make complete sense. From a
logistical standpoint of creating charters and getting signatures, this
is gonna be a bear. Ah well, we knew it was a suicide mission when we
signed up for it. =)

I guess my next move is to open a dialogue with Golden Scroll about past
Crown's sigs. We're going to be making 10 different versions of the
charter as it is. Do you think we should make an 11th (listing the Crown
directly but not by name), for the 7 instances of individuals becoming
Oaks upon elevation?

Duncan



On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 12:52 -0400, Jay Rudin wrote:
> Duncan asked:
> 
> >A dilemma has come up in how to fill in a charter for a person who did
> >not have a baronial service award prior to becoming it's principal, so
> >my question is this: Would their predecessor be considered as the one to
> >give them that award? Themselves? The crown?
> 
> It can't be their predecessor, who is no longer in ofice.  It can't be themselves -- that's illegal.  It has to be the Crown, who are in fact the ones who call them up and give them the barony that it comes with.
> 
> When Allemanius became baron, he founded the barony.  There was no predecessor.
> 
> When Aureliane became baroness, Allemanius had not been baron for five months.  (Also, he was never baron in the kingdom of Ansteorra, and could never have given anything to a baroness chosen by Ansteorra's Crown.)
> 
> When Exiter and Anne-Louise became baron and baroness, Aureliane has already resigned the barony, and wasn't even at the event.
> 
> When Thorkell and Kalida became baron and baroness, I had wanted to give them Oaks first, but the Queen said not to, because they'd be getting them a few minutes later anyway.  
> 
> In general, the old B&B step down and walk away, and only then are the new ones called up and made B&B (and Oaks).  The old B&B are no longer B&B by then, and have no authority to give out awards.
> 
> Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
> 
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