[ANSTHRLD] Herald's Point Question

[Brian O'hUilliam]

Recently at Steppes Warlord, I heralded the Warlord list.  I was not
entitled to wear a Steppes tabard.  I could have, if I had so chosen, worn a
crossed trumpet tabard (but it was just too hot for that).  Because several
of the people who were working as event staff know me and knew I would be
willing to herald announcements, I was asked to make some announcements for
the event.  Again, I could have worn a crossed trumpet tabard, but not a
Steppes tabard.

Even though I was participating in some official capacity as a herald for
the Steppes (at least for the Steppes event crew), I was not speaking for
the Steppes.  That duty was performed by Lady Gwen, Oakenwald Pursuivant,
who DID wear a Steppes a tabard in Court while she was speaking for the
Steppes.

I was making announcements for the site and tourney, assisting with the
operation of the event.  I was not speaking FOR the Steppes.  My word was
not that of the Barony or the Excellencies Duncan and Genevieve.  I was a
simple messenger.  Even though I had been asked some higher ups of the
group, and even by the Landed Nobility (in other cases, not this one), to
make official announcements, I was not their voice.  I had not been endowed
with the ability to speak for them, I was simply asked to make an
announcement.

With what you are describing, I see it as you have been designated as the
person to handle that aspect of heraldry for the event, but you are not
speaking as the group itself.

Perhaps what I am describing is a hierarchy of heralds where there is one
herald that speaks for the group or noble and several others that make
announcements that assist the main herald perform their duty.  This too is
period.  In a tournament there would be a Herald King At Arms who would make
all the major announcements and speak on behalf of the hosting noble while
there were several other heralds who would announce individuals ans make
smaller announcements.  It is not a perfect analogy, but it is a
correlation.


Brian O'hUilliam



On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo at gmail.com>wrote:

> > To Ivo's question-
> >  You are running an heraldic point that is presumably for vocal heraldry
> > and not a consultation point, correct?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> > Are you making announcements as the Provioncial representative speaking
> as
> > the Province directed by its ruler (in this case, the Crown)?  Not
> really.
>
> I wasn't really sure about that one way or the other.
>
> > You are making general announcements throughout the day and heralding
> > lists.  This is not speaking as the Province, but rather for the benefit
> of
> > the Province.
>
> Okay. However, as I am working under the direction of the event
> steward,  how does that not count as "speaking for the group"?
> (not arguing, not in the least. I honestly am just curious about the
> clarification on this point)
>
>
> SNIP...
>
> > If you use the green with crossed trumpets (which is probably the least
> > presumptuous), you may get people thinking you are running a consultation
> > table, but that's the risk you run with the different forms of heraldry
> > period.
>
> I agree with the possibility for misunderstanding. There really isn't
> any way around that possibility I guess, no mater what we do.
>
> My thinking on the subject was (and still is, largely) that since
> there is always an announcement for needed heralds to meet (somewhere)
> at our event, I figured I could just amend the announcement to say
> "interested heralds please meet  there (pointing) at heralds point."
> That way we can define the banner's meaning (whatever banner we wind
> up using) specifically at that event with a majority of the attendees.
>
> I guess  I am also looking to expand the definition of "herald's
> point". (watch that statement get me in trouble)
>
> > If you use the Mooneschadowe arms or badge, people will probably
> > not quickly make the connection that that pavilion is for vocal heraldry,
> as
> > Master Robin mentioned.
> >Additionally, I think it is a bit presumptuous.
>
> hum... until I nail down exactly what the criteria are for a herald
> being hired by a group, and what powers that group or its
> representative can vest in the herald, I'm not sure if I agree with
> that last part out not.
>
> > Brian O'hUilliam
>
> And many thanks to you for contributing. As always, a please to hear
> your take on the subject.
>
> Ivo