[ANSTHRLD] Device of Ari Greycloak
herrdetlef at gmail.com
Tue Dec 14 02:30:18 PST 2010
This is what Ari Greycloak sent to me on Sunday:
"James Northfolke. Device. Per bend argent and azure, a cross moline azure.
This device is returned for lack of identifiability, a violation of section
VII.7.a of the Rules for Submissions, which requires that "elements must be
recognizable solely from their appearance." While the cross does look
similar to some late-period depictions of crosses moline, all of the crosses
had a deeper split to the limbs and the splits were more forked. A
well-drawn period cross moline can be seen at
Properly drawn, there would be a CD between a cross moline and a cross
Due to the depiction, this device is returned for conflict with the device
of Eric of the Broken Cross, Gules, a cross swallowtailed azure fimbriated
Or. There is a single CD for the change of field, but none between this
depiction of a cross moline and a cross swallowtailed."
I'm not sure if the submission was returned at the Kingdom level or at
Laurel, but my guess would be Kingdom.
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 4:27 AM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
> The device was probably submitted under the name James of Northfolke.
> I don't have the quote right off-hand (at least, not without closing out of
> this window and digging into another e-mail), but if I remember correctly,
> the submission was returned for conflict because the cross in question was
> not drawn clearly enough to be a recognizable cross moline (as opposed to a
> cross swallowtail, which was on the conflicting armory).
> Detlef von Marburg
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Coblaith Muimnech <
> Coblaith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Magnus wrote:
>>> Is anyone aware of a device submitted by Ari Greycloak of Raven's Fort in
>>> the last two years?
>> If it was within the last two years, it must have been within the last six
>> months. As Orbis Herald I received reports on activity in Raven's Fort from
>> June, 2008, through May, 2010, and no submission under any name remotely
>> similar to "Ari Greycloak" was mentioned. (I've still got copies of the
>> reports on my computer. . .and, just possibly, a small data hoarding
>> Alternatively, I suppose, it could've been submitted at a large event
>> outside the barony and never referred to the branch herald. Unfortunately,
>> that'd make the likelihood of tracking down any old paperwork pretty low
>> (assuming it didn't make it to Asterisk, which I'd assume it didn't if it's
>> not in the Heraldic Submissions Tracker).
>> Coblaith Muimnech
>> <mailto:Coblaith at sbcglobal.net>
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þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
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