[ANSTHRLD] Quarterly, a cross between four mullets ... pierced

[Joshua Brandl]

Here, i changed up the quarterly cross a bit... new blazon and emblazon

as to the blazon, reading left to right ( spectator of the device )  i want sable in the chief dexter always, so i would blazon it quarterly sable and argent.  now for the cross i want the part that is "on" the sable argent, and what is "on" the argent gules, so would i then blazon it argent and gules?. below is the blazon attempt i am thinking would work

If i am correct, then the First CD would be the mullets, and the second would be changing the cross from counterchanged to quarterly argent and gules

New Blazon attempt:
Quarterly sable and argent, a cross quarterly argent and gules between 
four mullets of eight points pierced counterchanged

New Emblazon:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll227/aednial/Quartly2.gif


> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:54:15 -0500
> From: tmcd at panix.com
> To: heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Quarterly, a cross between four mullets ... pierced
> 
> Please keep the blazon and emblazon of the original proposal.  I had
> to dig back thru my e-mail to find it.
> 
> Quarterly sable and argent, a cross between four mullets of eight
> points pierced counterchanged.
> <http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll227/aednial/Quarterly.gif>
> 
> Also, please use a meaningful subject line or one consistent with
> previous messages.  Please don't paste blazons with internal links
> if your mailer keeps them as HTML -- I see the URLs and it's hard to
> read the blazon.
> 
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2010, Will Manning <winther.der.truwe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > does this not conflict?
> >
> >   - Sibyl O'Dowd <http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_name.cgi?p=Sibyl%20O%27Dowd>
> >      - The following device associated with this name was registered in
> >      October of 2007 (via
> > Ansteorra)<http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_date.cgi?y1=2007&m1=October&y2=2007&m2=October&kX=checked>
> >      :
> >      *Quarterly <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=quarterly>
> > sable<http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=sable>and
> >      argent <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=argent>, a
> > cross<http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=cross>between four lozenges
> >      counterchanged <http://oanda.sca.org/glossary.cgi?p=counterchanged>.*
> 
> Sibyl O'Dowd, Quarterly sable and argent, a cross between four
> lozenges counterchanged.
> 
> Certainly one CD for change of type of all of a group of charges on
> the field, lozenge <-> mullet.  The only other change between the two
> is the piercing.  Looking at Elsbeth's precedents, I see
> 
>      [a compass star pierced] After much thought, we decided that
>      piercing is worth a CD when drawn large enough to be equivalent to
>      adding a tertiary charge, as it is done here; i.e. when it is
>      clearly visible and takes up much of the space available to
>      it. [Sebastian of Dragon's Mist, 12/99, A-An Tir]
> 
> The emblazon shows that these are honkin' huge piercings.  However,
> there's this from Shauna's precedents, which was later:
> 
>      Tatiana Laski Krakowska. Device. Per saltire argent and azure, six
>      mullets argent.
> 
>          Conflict with ... and with Seitse: Vert, mulletty pierced
>          argent. In each case there is a CD for changing the field, but
>          none for number of charges, as six is not different from five
>          or more. ...  Comparing against Seitse's mullets the following
>          precedent applies:
> 
>              [mullets vs mullets pierced] Current research seems to
>              indicate that mullets and mullets pierced (or spur rowels)
>              were used interchangeably in period. As a consequence, no
>              difference is currently granted between them. [May 1996,
>              Ret-Atlantia, Agnes Daunce]
> 
>          So there is no CD for not piercing the mullets in this case.
>          (April 2004 LoAR)
> 
> I don't have the emblazons to hand to see how large the piercing was
> -- maybe they were tiny.  However, later still is this from 3/07:
> 
>      Buyan Delger. Device. Or, a sun gules within a Chinese dragon in
>      annulo contourny sable.
> 
>          ... The submitted device does not conflict with the device of
>          Etienne d'Argent, "Or, a mullet of twelve points pierced
>          gules, a chief triangular sable". The piercing of the mullet
>          is equivalent to adding a tertiary charge (an Or roundel) and
>          thus there is a CD for removing the tertiary charge. There is
>          a second CD for changing the type of the secondary charge from
>          a chief to a Chinese dragon.
> 
> So it looks to me like the older precedent has continued or, at worst,
> been restored.
> 
> It's an excellent catch.  Thank you.  If this were sent up, the issue
> should be mentioned on the LoI, and ideally on a sheet of
> documentation with the submission, so that commenters can research it
> more and/or comment on it.
> 
> Dammit Delinquent
> -- 
> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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