[ANSTHRLD] Heirs to Principalities--Title Question
herrdetlef at gmail.com
Sun Apr 3 20:46:52 PDT 2011
Thank you, Lord Brian! <scribbles notes>
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Brian O'hUilliam
<brianoftheloch at gmail.com>wrote:
> I have heard of Tanist and Tanista/Ban-Tanist being used fairly often,
> however, Midrealm also uses that to signify the Crown Prince and Princess
> addition to the usual P&P title.
> I have not heard of them using "Lord/Lady <insert Principality name
> here>." Rather I often hear of "Lord/Lady <insert signifier of the
> Principality>." Oertha (Alaska) uses Lord/Lady Borealis, Cynagua uses
> Lord/Lady of the Swan (their arms include a large black swan). Of course
> these are both West Principalities and that could just be a Western thing.
> Also, for some Principalities it may not be an issue as some invest the
> new P&P the day of the Coronet list.
> In Service,
> Brian O'hUilliam
> On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 4:58 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is one that we don't mess with much here in Ansteorra, but for
> > who travels out of kingdom...
> > What is the SCA custom for titles and styles for heirs to principalities?
> > To draw on mundane precedent: the heirs to the princpality of
> > are titled "Hereditary Prince" and "Hereditary Princess" ("Erbprinz" and
> > "Erbprinzessin"), and they are styled "Serene Highness" in the same way
> > that
> > the Prince and Princess are.
> > But if memory serves, I have heard of some principalities calling their
> > heirs "Tanist" and "Tanista," while some others call theirs "Lord" and
> > "Lady" of the principality in question. And I have no clue about style
> > that matter, I'm not sure if even the Princes and Princesses are styled
> > "Serene Highness").
> > I'm working on a chart of titles and styles that go with various ranks,
> > I want to be accurate.
> > Yours in these Current Middle Ages,
> > Detlef von Marburg
> > Tir Medóin Pursuivant
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Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
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