[ANSTHRLD] Conflict check please

[Frank Schalles]

I am a bit vague on the trumpet placement. Why would it be assumed that
they would be placed on the sable portions of the Per Saltaire? Could not
dexter and sinister be used to describe the positions?

Francois

On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:00 PM, S L Niemann <slniemann at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sure Tostig, the "between in fess" placed the trumpets palewise by
> implication (fitting the space). And it could have been a complex
> primary group, though I meant it to be primary, secondary and
> tertiary. Thanks
>
> Ines
>
>
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> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Bob Wade <logiosophia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ines,
> >
> > I think the blazon you're looking for is "Per saltire Or and sable, on a
> tower gules, between two trumpets palewise, a key wards to dexter Or."
> (That makes the tower the primary charge and the trumpets a secondary
> charge group)  If you're thinking of a primary charge group consisting of a
> charged tower between two trumpets of equal visual weight, the blazon would
> be "Per saltire Or and sable, in fess a tower gules charged with a key,
> wards to dester, between two trumpets palewise Or."
> >
> > Tostig
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 5/5/12, S L Niemann <slniemann at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: S L Niemann <slniemann at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict check please
> > To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <
> heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> > Date: Saturday, May 5, 2012, 4:44 PM
> >
> >
> > Blazon-fu:
> > Per saltire Or and sable, a tower gules, a chief embattled vert
> > charged with a trumpet Or and a base embattled purpure charged with a
> > key Or.
> >
> > hrmm: Or, sable, gules, vert, purpure, tower, chief, trumpet, base, key
> >
> > That is a complexity count of ten: current rules, too complex - return
> > for style issues.
> >
> > Under new rules, _A.3.E Complexity count_ "An item with a complexity
> > count of nine or higher that follows a period pattern of charges and
> > tinctures may be registered, but may need to be documented as an
> > Individually Attested Pattern."
> >
> > Can we find a pattern of complex field, primary charge group, two
> > peripheral charges, each secondary charged with a tertiary?
> >
> >
> > Might I suggest:
> > Per saltire Or and sable, on a tower gules in fess between two
> > trumpets a key Or wards to dexter
> >
> > Or, sable, gules, tower, trumpet, key
> > This has a complexity of six and it appears clear. No architecture on
> > that field description.
> >
> > Ines
> > _______________________
> > Dum Spiritus, Spes
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Frank Schalles
> > <francisschalles at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>  *Per saltaire Or and sable, a tower gules. On a chief embattled vert a
> >> trumpet Or. On a base embattled purpure a key Or*
> >>
> >> YIS
> >>
> >> Francois de Lions
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