[ANSTHRLD] April 2012 ILoI, 13, Wolf de G{a:}nger

[Andrewe Bawldwyn]

Thanks for your commentary, I'll get this entered shortly if Eirik Bordure
doesn't beat be to it.

Andrewe
On May 11, 2012 12:11 AM, <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> Crud!  Commentary was closed while I was finishing an argument!
>
> http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=1290#13
>
> Furthermore, if Wikipedia be believed, it's only some historians who
> believe that Rollo was Ganger Hrolf.
>
> But posit that the names Ganger Hrolf and Hrolf Ganger are
> nevertheless protected in those forms.
>
> Ganger Hrolf versus Wolf de(r) G{a:}nger:
> http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#PN3C1 is Changes to Two
> Syllables. "Names are substantially different if changes in sound and
> appearance affect at least two syllables (including adding, removing,
> or reordering them). ... Changes to any part of the name count,
> including articles and prepositions.", and an example calls John de
> Aston clear of John Asson for adding a syllable and changing another
> syllable. So I see two diffs, reversal and adding "de(r)".
>
> Hrolf Ganger versus Wolf de(r) G{a:}nger: I think I could argue it's
> clear by any of the three sections under PN.3.C, but it looks easiest
> to go with http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#PN3C3
>
>    3. Substantial Change of Single-Syllable Name Phrase: Two names
>    with a comparable single-syllable name phrase are eligible for
>    this rule.  A pair of name phrases are said to be comparable if
>    they both have the same position in the name, such as given name
>    or first byname.  Comparable single-syllable name phrases are
>    generally substantially different in sound if a group of adjacent
>    vowels or of adjacent consonants within a word are completely
>    changed, so that it shares no sound in common.  ... The change of
>    a single letter is sufficient for two eligible name phrases to be
>    different in appearance, as such name phrases are quite short.
>    ... Anne Best is substantially different from Anne West.  ...
>
> "Hr" or "R" to "W" alone looks good enough to trigger this. I also
> pronounce the "o" in "Rolf" rather like "ah", but the "o" in "Wolf"
> more like "uh", but R<->W looks easier to argue.
>
> Danihel de Lincolino
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