[ANSTHRLD] Conflict check: Gyronny of eight azure and pean, on a lozenge Or a sheaf of arrows argent

Darnell Daniels dmage121 at yahoo.com
Tue May 29 22:01:08 PDT 2012


I meant to blazon those arrows azure, but it was late and I was trying to get this out before client went to bed. Lucky the picture showed the intent


--- On Tue, 5/29/12, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>
> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict check: Gyronny of eight azure and pean, on a lozenge Or a sheaf of arrows argent
> To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 11:22 PM
> On Tue, 29 May 2012, Darnell Daniels
> wrote:
> > From: Darnell Daniels <dmage121 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict check: Gyronny of eight
> azure and pean,
> >     on a lozenge Or a sheaf of
> arrows argent
> > 
> > I checked this against the Armory but would like a
> second set of
> > eyes. You can see the image at the link below.
> > 
> > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3641500048790&set=a.1471610042896.59331.1612997228&type=3
> 
> Thank you for the image.
> 
> The default for gyronny is eight pizza slices.  The
> arrows are not
> argent, which you be an insta-boing for metal on metal, but
> azure.
> (Yeah, it's hard to learn the difference.  The only
> thing that made it
> easier for me was high school French, knowing that "argent"
> was the
> French word for 'silver'.)  You mentioned the gyronny's
> tinctures in
> the right order and it's otherwise fine.  The lozenge
> could grow some
> to fit the field, but I'd still blazon it
> 
> Gyronny azure and pean, on a lozenge Or a sheaf of arrows
> azure.
> 
> Insta-boing for contrast.
> 
> = SENA
> 
> Under SENA, the incoming rules,
> http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#A3B1 ,
> "Tinctures and their
> Classifications", says "For the purposes of tincture,
> ermined furs are
> grouped in the same way as their background color."  So
> it's classed
> the same as "gyronny azure and sable".
> 
> http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#A3B2 ,
> "Definition of Good
> Contrast", defines "good contrast" as a metal and a color
> (and a
> couple of cases involving a neutral tincture, but there are
> no neutral
> tinctures here).
> 
> http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#A3B3d
> 
>     Elements Otherwise Divided: Elements not
> already mentioned must
>     have good contrast between their parts. 
> These include fields or
>     charges evenly divided into four parts other
> than quarterly or per
>     saltire, fields or charges evenly divided into
> more than four
>     parts of two different tinctures, and fields
> or charges unevenly
>     divided into multiple parts of two different
> tinctures must have
>     good contrast between adjacent parts of the
> field.
> 
> = RfS
> 
> RfS VIII.2, http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs.html#8.2 ,
> same things, different order, not as clearly written
> - "Ermined furs or field treatments on a background of one
> of these
> tinctures [sable etc.] are treated as colors for contrast"
> - Good contrast
> - "Elements evenly divided into multiple parts of two
> different
> tinctures must have good contrast between their
> parts."  But there are
> special cases above and below for two, three, per saltire,
> and
> quarterly, so you have to infer "if not otherwise covered".
> 
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