[Namron] Official or not (it's merely pining for the fjords)

muriel at entelesoft.com muriel at entelesoft.com
Fri Feb 24 16:12:09 PST 2006


Sorry to help beat the dead horse, but we each get a swing now and then.

Let's answer each question in the last post separately...

Q.  If the meeting place is subject to change, shouldn't that information go
out ahead of time?

A.  Well, DUH.  Once we HAVE a place, the information will go out.  In the
Plume, on the website, on the list, word-of-mouth, etc.  Our Seneschal has
been working for MONTHS to get a new site.  As all the people more
experienced than I have posted here, this is much more difficult than you
might think.   My advice: If you weigh the options and don't find it worth
your time to come if finding the meeting will be a hassle, don't come to
populace until we have a stable meeting place.  This will solve your current
problem.

Q.  How are newcomers supposed to find a group that does not meet in the
same place everytime, and the meetingplace isn't known to members until the
last minute, if they missed the previous meeting?

A.  Again, DUH.  They CAN'T.  Unfortunately, if we dont HAVE a place to
meet, we can't very well tell them to meet us there.   Secondly, I'm sure
everyone would love to meet the same place every time.  Circumstances and
expense prevent us.  We aren't galavanting all over town changing the
meeting place at the last second for every meeting.

Q.  When a meeting is cancelled due to snow, shouldn't an officer be present
at site to inform those that do not have instant access to the information
of cancellation?

A.  Pooky IS an officer.  He also volunteered for that duty.  Secondly, it
is rather, er, unscientific to assume that because a new Seneschal handled a
novel situation a certain way that it will happen exactly like that every
time, in every situation, for the rest of eternity.


The "it" that you seem to refer to includes one instance, that of that one
time we cancelled a meeting.  Everyone on this list knows we're trying to
find a new place for populace because the last place upped their price.
They also know that we are having a hard time finding a new place.  It is up
to you to decide what is best for you in light of these circumstances.  No
one can hand out information that does not yet exist.  We cannot meet at a
place that has not been found.

There is no real point to debating the issues here as the people directly
involved in the process are too busy with the process to read all our crap
and answer every person's list posts individually.  That's not to say that
you can't debate on the list to your heart's content, but know that most of
the people responding (including me) aren't close enough to the action to
describe everything they've already considered or where they're at.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: namron-bounces+muriel=entelesoft.com at ansteorra.org
[mailto:namron-bounces+muriel=entelesoft.com at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of
Radei Drchevich
  Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:23 PM
  To: donnchadh at cornelius.norman.ok.us; Barony of Namron
  Subject: Re: [Namron] Official or not...........


  If meeting place is subject to chamge, shouldn't that information go out
ahead of time?

  How are newcomers suppost to find a group that does not meet in the same
place everytime, and the meetingplace isn't known to members until the last
minute, if they missed the previous meeting?

  "Penciled in at Denny's", but the website still says Andrews Park.

  When a meeting is cancelled due to snow, shouldn't an officer be present
at site to inform those that do not have instant access to the information
of Cancellation?  Did not happen at the dec meeting that was cancelled.  If
Pookie had not been there at least 5 cars of people that I saw ,in the 5
minutes I waited for answer, would not have known the meeting was cancelled.

  I have to disagree.  I do not believe it has been handled well.
information is not being freely exchanged unless you live within a few miles
of the meeting site<which many of us DO NOT>.

  joy

  radei



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Donnchadh
    To: "Barony of Namron"
    Subject: Re: [Namron] Official or not...........
    Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:24:50 -0600


    I don't think anyone is saying we shouldn't use the list to pass on
information.  Only that the official discussion of issues that affect the
Barony, such as where to have future meetings, would be at populace meeting.
It doesn't make sense to have a discussion at populace meeting and have
everyone give their reasoning and the pros and cons of each decision, only
to turn around and have that exact same discussion on the list.  If you have
strong feelings on the matter at hand and you can't make it to that populace
meeting, then I can only suggest asking someone else to convey your message
for you, or contact the Seneschal ahead of time.  Believe me; I understand
not being able to make it to populace meeting.  For a long time, my work had
me out of the state for months at a time, and I'm sure decisions were made
in the Barony when I had no chance to give my input.

    Again, no one is against spreading information via the list.  And I
think our Seneschal has done a very good job with that considering how
quickly the weather can change around here.  We just don't want to have to
duplicate every discussion and repeat the same considerations over and over.


    Donnchadh


    ---------- Original Message -----------
    From: "Radei Drchevich" <radei at moscowmail.com>
    To: "Barony of Namron" <namron at ansteorra.org>
    Sent: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:02:01 -0500
    Subject: Re: [Namron] Official or not...........

    > Unofficial or not.  Courtesy demands a simple response.  I have been
officer in many groups of this nature.  Communication is Communication.  It
A Phone can previde Official information, so can an e-mail.
    >
    > And what about those of us 2 hours out?  How do I find out official
information if the weather or my health prevent me from makeing the 170
miles drive for a 2 hour populas meeting??  AM I support to call long
distance by telephone, speak to an answering machine and still not get an
answer??
    >
    > Inquiring minds want to know.
    >
    > joy
    > radei
    >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: aethelstan at cox.net
    > > To: "Barony of Namron" <namron at ansteorra.org>
    > > Subject: [Namron] Official or not...........
    > > Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:42:32 -0500
    > >
    > >
    > > Your absolutly correct my Lady,
    > > We shouldn't use this forum for official communications.
    > > However, this list becomes very useful for the passing of polite
information.
    > > Please everyone, let's not get our feathers ruffeled.
    > >
    > > As long as I have been playing in this society, there has *always*
    > > been the everpresent issue of meeting places.
    > > Our beloved Senechal (may he rule long and well) is trying his ever
    > > best to deal with the current situation. All the help you can give
    > > him would be greatly appreciated. ie. call around yourselves and
    > > find out a bit of info. that you can then pass on to him.  *service
    > > announcemt finished*
    > >
    > > As for you Ms. Advocate, shame on you (swat nose with feathers),
    > > you of all folks should know better than to try and stir up a
    > > situation under the guises of taking an opposite position for the
    > > sake of better understanding.
    > > Now go watch ten hours of monty python for pennance.
    > >
    > > in service,
    > > Master Aethelstan
    > > residant junior underflunky
    > >
    > >
    > > >   This is sooo funny, Since this is an Unofficial forum, why be
    > > > distributing any "official" information on the list anyway? call
    > > > me the devils advocate, but does that mean all event info is not
    > > > official if it distributed on the list? Does that mean any info
    > > > on meetings is not official if it distributed on the list?? does
    > > > that mean we should preface our posts with the disclaimer of this
    > > > is not an official announcement of..... Blah Blah Blah....
    > > >   Ducking for cover -
    > > >   Lady Susannah Blackthorne
    > > >
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