[Re: [Re: [Re: PE - Re: Angles large oval wedge?]]]

Wed Oct 18 07:27:39 PDT 2000

Hi Willow,

Tent-making is addictive, but eventually one does tire of it.  I found
that the last couple I did became quite tiresome.  So, while I still want
to someday make "the perfect" tent, I am semi-retired now.

I really believe that the tent you are referring to is the one used by
Ulurich.  I roughly based it on the early Anglo-Saxon tents, but as I
said, put the door in the middle because it was what he wanted.  Thanks
for the complement about its being dry and stable! 

I've been getting into Berber tents lately.  They have taught me a lot
about tensile structures!  

Barbary

On 18 Oct 2000, Wendy Freeman/Otte wrote:

> I should learn to read ALL my emails before responding.  Yes, that was the
> tent.
> 
> "Barbara E. Sorenson" <bes at NebrWesleyan.edu> wrote:
> > Hi Willow,
> > 
> > What color was the tent?  It sounds like one that I did some while back.
> > It was usually pitched in the enchanted ground at Lilies.
> > 
> > The door on the side was at the request of the gentle that I did it for
> > (actually, I did a couple).  It was patterned after the geteld, but the
> > door was in the middle, instead of at the end.
> > 
> > Barbary
> > 
> > On 17 Oct 2000, Wendy Freeman/Otte wrote:
> > 
> > > Ahh - I just made a discovery - there is an ongoing argument over the
> shape of
> > > this tent.  Here is the issue: look at the two versions of the
> Anglo-Saxon
> > > Geteld.
> > > <http://www.adelphi.edu/~sbloch/sca/tents/taxonomy.html>
> > > 
> > > Actually, the one I saw had the ridgepole on the inside, but looked more
> like
> > > the second Geteld tent shown, with the bell ends.
> > > 
> > > Still, the issue of a medieval reference is an open question - where did
> > > *these* gentles get their sources?
> > > 
> > > --Wyllow
> > > 
> > > Wendy Freeman/Otte <wyllow at netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > Sven, you caught me - I have no reference.  The gentle (I think it was
> Toli,
> > > I
> > > > know it was someone from MagMor, Calontir) who built the large oval tent
> had
> > > a
> > > > reputation as an excellent researcher, and I took him at his word.  My
> web
> > > > search, triggered by your challenge (and rightly so) has produced no
> > > obvious
> > > > results.  So, can anyone help me find the reference I am sure exists?
> > > > 
> > > > Here is what I remember from my conversation with him, 4 years ago - it
> is
> > > an
> > > > Anglo, Saxon, or both tent from ?before 1000AD?.  It uses no ropes,
> > > depending
> > > > on the cloth of the tent to hold it up - the roof & sides are one cloth.
> 
> > > Its
> > > > shape is more like a huge pup tent, with bells closing either end, and
> a
> > > slit
> > > > cut into the middle of one side for the door.  It resembles the *roof*
> of
> > > the
> > > > french two-bell, reaching to the ground, although the pitch of the roof
> is
> > > a
> > > > lot steeper.
> > > > 
> > > > Mira, did you have a reference/picture for the Bell wedge?  The
> timeperiod
> > > > doesn't match, but the description does.
> > > > 
> > > > --Wyllow MacMuireadhaigh
> > > > 
> > > > "Mira (Tanya Guptill)" <tguptill at teleport.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Stephen Wyley wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi Wendy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am yet to come across such a tent as you describe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you quote your reference for this Angles large oval wedge?
> > > > > 
> > > > > It looks to me like it is the earlier form of a bell wedge, with the
> slit
> > > > door, ala
> > > > > Tudor period.  If I'm correct, you see a lot more of these in period
> than
> > > > the
> > > > > so-called French Bells (more common American Civil War, door is
> > > different,
> > > > althoug
> > > > > there is evidence of the awning/door in Coburg in the mid 1600s).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mira
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mira
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > Bye for now,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > (Stephen Francis Wyley)
> > > > > > Fortifications (Dictionary of Military Architecture, etc).
> > > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wy/svenskildbiter/index.html
> > > > > > Archery, Arms, Armour, Chests, Tents, Trebuchets,
> > > > > > Vikings, Woodwork.
> > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/svenskildbiter/index.html
> > > > > > Arrow Fletching, Turbow Longbows & Yoretymes Emporium of History
> > > > > > http://svenskildbiter.webjump.com/index2.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2 Oct 00 08:56:11 CDT   Wendy Freeman/Otte wrote:
> > > > > > >The Angles had a one-person-to-raise tent - it was a large oval
> wedge
> > > > with a
> > > > > > >slit door in the center of the long side.  You peg all of the
> sides
> > > down
> > > > > > >first, then take the two poles into the tent, and raise the roof,
> one
> > > > pole at
> > > > > > >a time.  No ropes - all based on tension.  Very few seams, so good
> for
> > > a
> > > > rainy
> > > > > > >climate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >One problem - I think its timeperiod of use was 700-900AD, maybe
> > > > earlier.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--Lady Wyllow of the Loch
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > 
> > > > > Rest not--life is sweeping by
> > > > > Go and dare before you die
> > > > > Something noble and sublime
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> > > > > 
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