[Sca-cooks] Them Peanutses

[johnna holloway]

Lady Johnnae llyn Lewis sends greetings.


Given that I managed to trace the source to a 1598
original, I was wondering if perhaps they were in fact
really "peanuts" or not. I gather that what Giano has is
just the redaction without either the facsimile text or a
transcribed original text.
The recipes came from:
Kunstbuch von mancherley Essen /
Author(s):Rontzier, Frantz de. ; Lemmer, Manfred.
Publication:München : Heimeran,
Year:1979 1598 Language: German
Description: 2 volumes
1] Kunstbuch von mancherley Essen, gesotten, gebraten,
 posteten von Hirschen, Vogelen, Wildtprat und andern
 Schawessen so auff fürstlichen und andern Pancketen
 zuzurichten gehörich / gestelt durch Frantz de Rontzier
2] Kommentar und Glossar/ von Manfred Lemmer.
(Volume 2 includes the bibliographical references.)
Standard No: ISBN: 3806311528 (set); 3806311536
(leather : set); LCCN: 85-103761
It's part of a Facsimile set of two volumes of a copy
owned by the Herzog August Bibliothek in Wolfenbüttel.

 The facsimile set is listed as being held
only at the Library of Congress in the United States. I
don't have much other information on this set, other than the
cataloguing entries. It is mentioned by Uta Schumacher-Voelker
in her article "German Cookery Books, 1485-1800."
She compares it to Rumpolt's 1581 Ein Neues Kochbuch, saying
"Only Frantz de Rontzier's Kochbuch (1598, one edition only)
is similarily rich in ingredients; this being the one other
cookery book of the era intended for a princely household."
PPC #6 p. 39.

Perhaps it's available in Germany and a set can be turned up by
Giano now that he has the details.

Johnna Holloway




david friedman wrote:
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> (fascinating post giving two purported peanut recipes omitted)
>
> How sure are you these are really peanuts? Have you checked whatever
> the German equivalent is of the OED? It wouldn't be astonishing if
> the modern word for peanut applied to something else earlier; there
> are other examples of that sort of thing happening.
>
> I gather you are working so far from a secondary source in
> translation, which obviously makes it hard to check these things. For
> what it is worth, the OED gives the first usage of "peanut" in the
> 19th century and the first usage of "groundnut" (in a context where
> they assume it means the same thing, although it isn't entirely
> clear) in a seventeenth century account of doings in the New World.
>
> According to one webbed discussion of peanuts I found:
>
> "The first mention of the introduction to Europe is by Nicolas
> Monardes in Sevilla (1574). They were send to him from Peru. "
>
> Of course, one other thing to do is to make the recipes, starting
> with raw peanuts, and see how they come out.
> --
> David/Cariadoc
> http://www.daviddfriedman.com/