[Sca-cooks] cider quotations

[johnna holloway]

Here are some more cider quotations that predate those provided
by Jadwiga.

c1475(c1445) Pecock Donet (Bod 916)   137/22:
It were forboden to hem forto drinke ale or sydir or whey or
 eny oþire drynkeable þing of lasse delicacye þan is wyne.

a1500(c1477) Norton OAlch.(Add 10302)   2304:
Liquour is in many maners fownde Owte of thingis that be
on grownde: Som bi cuttynge, as terebentyne, Som with
pressinge, as sydyre and wyne.

These come from the Middle English Dictionary which also has
a number of quotes starting in 1375 that keep saying...
 what this quote from (c1384) says:
 WBible(1) (Dc 369(2))   Luke 1.15:
 He schal not drynke wyn and sydir [vrr. cyser, cyther].
Apparently not drinking wine or cider was quite noteworthy.

Johnna Holloway




jenne at fiedlerfamily.net wrote:
>
> > Non-Alcoholic stuff is called apple juice and if you get the real thing it
> > is lovely, not processed in packets from the supermarket, but freshly
> > sqeezed/pressed and bottled for drinking.
>
> The OED includes one period quote that indicates that 'new cider' was a
> term used:
> "1576 FOXE A. & M. I. 260/1 This ague he [K. John] also encreased..by
> eating Peaches and drinking of new Ciser, or as we call it Sider."
>
> Despite the OED's definition, I wonder if 'new' means 'unfermented' or
> just 'this year's'?
>
> Other quotes seem to indicate that the term 'cider' was being used
> interchangeably with juice:
>
> "1663 BOYLE Usefulness Exper. Philos. II. 175 'Tis known, that
> Sydar, Perry, and other Juyces of Fruits, will afford such a spirit. 1708
> J. PHILIPS Cyder 11, My mill Now grinds choice apples and the
> British vats O'erflow with generous cider."
>
> In other words, the term 'cider' was applied from the moment of pressing,
> whether or not the stuff was previously fermented-- which is the U.S.
> usage.
>
> -- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa
> jenne at fiedlerfamily.net OR jenne at tulgey.browser.net OR jahb at lehigh.edu
> "Are you finished? If you're finished, you'll have to put down the spoon."
>
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