[Sca-cooks] Catholic/Christian, was: The Fallwell/Robertson statements

[Michael Newton]

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> Inquistion comments snipped<.
> 2)  I suspect it rather over generalized to claim any real statement of
theology or belief as "Protestant" given the wide variety in theological
doctrine and leadership even amongst a given denomination . . . . not many
Baptists buy into the 144,000 souls only are going to heaven, and no
Lutherans really publicly support the doctrine of polygamy.  While the
disagreement with and misunderstanding of the theological premises of
Catholic Ritual and Sacrament may be generalized to many protestants who
have not studied it (as well as many Catholics who have not studied it), the
foundations for disagreement vary widely based on a given theological
underpinning.  MY OWN PERSONAL BELIEF is it somewhat flawed to explain or
express a religious pratice from a view outside its foundation.  To do so is
basically presenting the antithesis rather than the groundwork itself. The
one that really pinched a nerve was the 'worshiping of saints' thing.  To
describe the veneration of assembly of sa!
> !
> ints by Catholics as 'worshiping' them begs a very dangerous question.


The 144,000 souls from the Book of Revalation, refers to 12,000 Jews from
each of the 12 tribes of Israel who will go forth and evangelize the World
on behalf of the Messiah (who the Christians believe is Jesus of Nazereth).
Nothing more or less, the Fringe groups who believe otherwise weren't
reading the Bible very well.  I was always taught in the Baptist Church that
the statues in the Catholic Church were there to pray to and by doing that
Catholics were idol worshipping. I don't believe that now that I have
studied a bit on this for myself. But I still don't understand the Mary
statues at the Cemetery's.



>
> 3)  I only bring this last idea because there will be very many opportunit
ies in the coming weeks and months to understand/misunderstand the beliefs
and practices of many religious groups.  To use the same sort of window to
view Muslim/Islamic beliefs creates a precarious ledge that lead us where do
not wish to be in terms of intolerance and ignorance. To describe another
religion from the standpoint of 'it ain't us' starts from the basis of
rejection and denegration.

I agree with this statement.

> niccolo difrancesco
>
> (PS Can anyone list anywhere close to the entirety of Luther's These left
on the Cathedral door, without looking in an reference manual?  Being able
to do that would, in my personal little world, lend more credence to
someone's discussions about Luther's validity or lack.  They don't have to
recite his theological arguments behind them, just what they were . . . not
even required in order.)

I don't think anyone can name all them even Scholars.

Thorbjorn
>
>
> sca-cooks at ansteorra.org wrote:
> < < < <I think the Catholics in Northern Ireland don't think very highly
of the Protestants.  Even if we don't consider that a very contemporary
view, it certainly is a historically accurate view.  The Catholics were busy
burning Protestants at the stake for some time as heretics.
>
> Once again, I am giving the arguments that I've heard, usually from far
wackier Protestants than I've hung out with.  While they may not be very
well grounded when viewed from the *Catholic's perspectives*, they are
certainly well grounded from within the dogma of many Protestant churches.
Some of the arguments go all the way back to Martin Luther's original
proclamations.  When the Protestants broke off with the belief that the
Church was practicing distinctly un-Christian things, they came to the
conclusion that they were the proper interpreters of the Bible and people
who failed to follow them were un-Christian.  That belief has softened some,
but hasn't gone completely away. > > > > >
>
> -Magdalena
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