[Sca-cooks] Old in the SCA, was Hollywood gays

[Elaine Koogler]

You know, that really upsets me.  I just can't believe that anyone in the
SCA would treat people in such a fashion!!  But then, I guess I've seen
other prejudices exercised on occasion, so that shouldn't surprise me.  It's
just a pity that she didn't get to participate on a kingdom level so that
she could see that the local group consisted of a bunch of ignoramuses!!!
After all, I think Queen Alys Katherine might welcome her with open arms,
being the oldest Queen ever to sit a throne in the SCA!!

And I believe that it is incumbent upon all of us that whenever we see
someone being discriminated against because of their age, physical status,
sexual orientation, color or whatever, to point out to that person that they
are not only behaving in a manner not in keeping with what we purport to
be/do, but that they may well be in violation of federal anti-discrimatory
laws.

Kiri
----- Original Message -----
From: "Siegfried Heydrich" <baronsig at peganet.com>
To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Old in the SCA, was Hollywood gays


>     She was in her late 50's at the time, and it was in Evansville, Ind. I
> had talked to her (she went to school with my mother) about the SCA, and
she
> was very excited that there was a group that actually put into practice
what
> she had studied. Several months later, she wrote me and expressed great
> sorrow that the local group there simply had no use for her because she
was
> too old. I never got any details, but reading between the lines, I got the
> impression that the local group had been quite unkind to her.
>     This was a real pity, as both she and her husband were astoundingly
> talented (he would send out hand illuminated Christmas cards), and were
both
> possessed of remarkable intellects. I suppose they just lacked the proper
> party instincts . . .
>
>     Sieggy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > Sieggy wrote:
> > >     Or perhaps the story of the first two Edwards as told from the
> > >perspective of Piers Gaveston? Though it would have a tragic ending by
> > >definition . . . For an exceptionally interesting treatment of the
> subject,
> > >if only tangentially, I suggest "Flambard's Confession" by Marilyn
> Durham.
> > >She was a serious medieval scholar who tried to get into the SCA on my
> > >recommendation, only to be chased out because she was too old . . .
> >
> > And, might i ask, how old was she?
> >
> > We have a very elderly woman, close to 90, who attends events in a
> > wheel chair. Camping events. Of course, she isn't doing it alone, but
> > with her grandson and his wife, with whom she lives. People are all
> > polite to her. Of course, as i mentioned, we have quite a few people
> > in wheelchairs at camping events - camping in tents. No motorized
> > ones, that i recall, however, although there's a woman in one in the
> > Las Vegas area, IIRC.
> >
> > I know that we have people in their 60's playing in our Kingdom (and
> > some on this list, too :-), and some older come to the more
> > "civilized" (indoor) events.
> >
> > Heck, at the Goth clubs i sometimes go to, i saw a women well in her
> > 70s in a red velvet dress. No one chased her out, either. (i saw her
> > more than once, too) I'll confess that she wasn't dancing, just
> > hanging out, but a lot of the Goths i know just hang out and don't
> > dance, either.
> >
> > Anahita
>
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