[Sca-cooks] non-sweet Elizabethan dishes

[Heleen Greenwald]

Vivats, My Lord!
Well spoken!
Phillipa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Siegfried Heydrich" <baronsig at peganet.com>
To: <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] non-sweet Elizabethan dishes


>     Oddly enough, I am filled with no small degree of comfort in the fact
> that members of this culture have the degree of freedom to be such utterly
> pretentious snobs. Only those who bask in the comfort of such decadence as
> we possess have the freedom to have to not turn over fallen logs, looking
> for high protein grubs, or prostitute themselves to UN relief delivery
> drivers in order to get enough corn meal to keep their children alive for
> another day or two.
>     Only those who live where food is found in such abundance that
> starvation is not a real and imminent danger have the option of such high
> flown ethical standards. A large chunk of the human race would, without a
> moment's hesitation, kill you for what you toss in the trash on a daily
> basis. I've been there - and it's not a matter of bad weather, a bad
> harvest, it's a matter of those in power using food as a weapon, of
policy,
> of control. I'm sorry, but this is a hot point with me - a good quarter of
> the human race would gladly beg abjectly, cry copious tears for your
> leftovers, and yet we have people who go 'eew! I'm not eating THAT, it was
> produced by a cruel production method!'.
>     I think Vegans and other 'ethical' types need to travel a bit; see
> swollen bellies and whithered limbs. I think they need to see 60 pound
> corpses going into mass graves. I think they need to see what survival is
as
> opposed to effete snobbery.
>     Of course, if we are what we eat, then Vegans are vegetables, and so
> therefore we should start processing them for delivery to the starving
> masses in outer BoogiBoogistan. That way, we can provide them with high
> quality protein (with a high percentage of fat included!) without any
silly
> moral qualms . . . And hey! those folks are willing to make any sacrifice
to
> help their fellow man, right? High quality protein without a single animal
> being killed, only vegetables!
>
>     Sieggy, who thinks that Jonathan Swift had a GREAT idea, only too
early
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >Serena wrote:
> >> I believe that you might have answered your own question on this one.
You
> >> need to find an Elizabethean fish/seafood dish to replace one of your
> meat
> >> dishes so that the vegs are eating the same entree at one of the
courses.
> >
> >Uh, fish is not vegetarian.  One of the people I talked to (who has a
> >meat allergy, or something) can eat fish, but that is not the common
> >case.  Definitely a good choice for those who can eat it, and it
> >provides some very interesting variety, but it doesn't fit the
> >"vegetarian" criterion.
> >
> >Just for reference, for anyone who's interested:
> >
> >VEGANS eat only vegetable products.  No dairy, eggs, meat, poultry, or
> >fish, or honey.
> >
> >VEGETARIANS (also known as lacto-ovo vegetarians) eat vegetables as well
> >as dairy and eggs (and honey).  They may avoid cheese if calf-stomach
> >rennet might have been used to make it.  They may only eat free-range
> >eggs.
> >
> >Some vegetarians are even stricter than vegans, and will only eat fruit
> >(i.e. no leaf or root vegetables which would harm the plant to eat them)
> >or only eat raw vegetables.  These are pretty rare in the SCA though,
> >and would seldom try to attend a feast.
> >
> >Anyone who eats fish, poultry or meat is not vegetarian, though they may
> >simplify their description of their food limitations by saying they're
> >vegetarian, since that's easier to communicate than a detailed list of
> >what they do and don't eat.  My friend is in this category.  I know some
> >Jewish people who do the same thing, since they're more likely to get
> >the food they want by saying they're vegetarian than by trying to
> >explain the rules of kosher food to someone who isn't used to them.
> >
> >> I am uncertain what sources are "Elizabeathan" but I am always running
> >> across recipits for fish, lobster, crab, oysters, eel ...... The Robert
> May
> >> book (tho late 17th cen) is chock full of interesting things to do to
> >> crustaceans. I have served salmon at one feast, & I know that another
> gentle
> >> here on the list has done the same.
> >>
> >> If the main thrust of your event is the food & you are going to have a
> high
> >> feast budget, some of these "luxury" items could be fun.
> >
> >Absolutely!  I already have one dish with oysters :)  (and a vegetarian
> >version of it as well)
> >
> >Yours,
> >
> >Katherine
>
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