[Sca-cooks] Romany in Spain

Stefan li Rous StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
Wed Apr 6 21:52:13 PDT 2005


Vincenzo asked me:
> > You might also throw the Rom (Gypsies) into this, since
> > they had a major influence on Spanish dance and probably
> > other cultural areas.
>
> How early are you envisioning the Romany in Spain?

 From the Gypsies-msg file in the Florilegium:

> According to a book I have, 'The Gypsies', by
> Jean-Paul Clebert (pub. Penguin, my edition 1970), the Gitanos are 
> actually
> one of the the three main Groups of Gypsies (the others are the 
> Kalderash
> and the Manuchs, called Manouches in France), called Gitans in France.
>
> The dates Clebert gives for the appearance of Gypsies in Europe are:
>
> 855?            Byzantium
> 1260 (or 1399?) Bohemia
> 1322?           Crete
> 1346            Corfu
> 1348            Serbia
> 1378            The Pelopennese, Zagreb
> 1414            Basle
> 1417            Transylvania, Moldavia, The Elbe
> 1418            Saxony, Augsburg
> 1419            France, Sisteron
> 1420?           Denmark
> 1422            Bologna, Rome
> 1427            Paris
> 1430 (or 1440?) Wales
> 1447            Barcelona
> 1492 (or 1505)  Scotland
> 1500            Russia
> 1509            Poland
> 1515            Sweden
>
> He notes that these dates mark the *'official'* appearance of Gypsies, 
> and
> doesn't necessarily mean they were not already there.

 From the Gypsie-timeline-art file:

> 1425 A.D.	Roma are recorded in Zaragoza, Spain.
and
 >1492 A.D.	The first anti-Gypsy laws are passed in Spain.

Stefan
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