[Sca-cooks] Binge drinking

[Radei Drchevich]

I don't understand. 

You are talking about daily consuption, but you are using YEARLY averages
as the justification.  My Question is "Are there records that show that
many and/or most actually drank that much daily, or was it a dayoff binge
tupe as in many modern cansuptions?"

Yearly stats do not show a difference between binge or constant
consuption.  Or am I wrong?  If so, How?

joy

radei

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius"
  To: "Cooks within the SCA"
  Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Binge drinking
  Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:11:09 -0500



  On Nov 21, 2005, at 9:43 PM, Radei Drchevich wrote:

  > Statisrics are not a reliable measure of the actual intake. Do you
  have
  > sources that indicate actual daily consumprion?

  At the risk of sounding flippant, what did you think the statistics
  are based on? But seriously, there are probably multiple books
  of household management, and recipe sources from specific
  households that give a fair idea both of how much ale (for
  example) was made in a given season, and how many people were in
  the household, which type of ale was for which household members,
  etc. It's not exact but we can get a fair idea.

  Another possibility might be if there are records of allowances for
  workers in various occupations (not sure if this data is actually
  available, but I wouldn't be surprised), and I know the extent to
  which records exist for post-period sailors' ration of ale and
  rum, as well as wine.

  > modern numbers for north america say the average person drinks 12
  gallons
  > of beer, 2 gallons of hard liquor, and 3 gallons of wine per year.
  That
  > is based on sales not actual person to person counts.

  I'm sure the actual amount varies, but if you're positing the
  amount of beer that is purchased and never drunk, I imagine it's
  pretty insignificant. As for person-to-person counts, if you take
  them and average them together, you get an average, no? Which is
  what the stat claims to be... the only question is whether the
  actual data as gathered is accurate, and I can only ask, why would
  it be more likely to be inaccurate than accurate?

  I mean, clearly there are people who drink huge amounts of beer,
  wine, and spirits, and some who drink less, and some who drink
  none, but these are still represented in the average sale numbers.

  If medieval stats were gathered (based on annual sales) in the way
  they are today, there'd be a big window for inaccuracy in
  unrecorded, untaxed, or otherwise unregulated ale being made in
  homes, but I don't think the data for period consumption is
  gathered in the same way.

  Adamantius

  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Terry Decker"
  > To: "Cooks within the SCA"
  > Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Binge drinking
  > Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:18:18 -0600
  >
  >
  > I don't know about the "binge." That suggests extended gaps
  > between bouts of intoxication. The general use of alcohol in
  > period sounds more like the steady imbibing of the alcoholic. One
  > of the studies I read calculates that the average person drank a
  > gallon of ale or beer per day or slightly under a pint an hour and
  > that it was a large part of the day's calorie count. Besides,
  > everyone knows binging is unhealthy while such drinking was
  > healthy, contributing to the "phlegmatic" personality.
  >
  > Bear
  >
  >> Binge-drinking an age-old problem
  >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4455912.stm
  >>
  >> Johnnae
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