[Sca-cooks] Thanksgiving Turducken

[Stefan li Rous]

Aoghann commented:
> This reminds me of a period dish I read about, I think it was a goose
> stuffed with a duck, but I am not sure. However, I can't remember if I
> was reading a period source, a discussion of a period source, or what.
> Sigh. I keep meaning to build that personal memory system, but I keep
> forgetting...

Yep, mine is called the Florilegium. :-)

There are several references to stuffed animals cooked inside of  
other animals. Try the search engine to find the other files with  
references.

Here are two of the messages on this in the meat-stuffed-msg file.
meat-stuffed-msg  (24K)  4/20/05    Meat stuffed with various mixtures.

 >>>
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:45:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Bloch <sbloch at adl15.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: SC - lamb recipe

 > Once upon a time we had a cooking workshop (this was in the days  
when we
 > wondered how practical 'field cooking' was. In my Backyard, over  
an open
 > fire, I prepared the following recipe (with changes as noted)
 >
 > Take one camel. (I couldn't find anywhere to take it from, so I  
skipped
 > that bit. Plus we were feeding 20 people, all of whom were cooking
 > something. It seemed like overkill.)
 >
 > Take one sheep   (which I did. without the neck opened. The butcher
 > kindly got me one like that)
 >
 > Stick it in the camel (No camel. Well, what can you do)
 >
 > Take some ducks, geese, or chickens. (I got some chickens, and a  
buch of
 > bits as well.)
 >
 > Put capons or quail in them. (quail went into chickens, ducks got  
capons
 > filled with chicken breast)
 >
 > fill the rest with rice, pistachios, sultanas, figs and some other  
nut (I
 > forget. I partially cooked the rice first)
 >
 > Put it on a spit over the fire, and cook it.
 >
 > What was amazing was that over about 8 hours, we ate nearly all  
the lamb,
 > all the quails and most of the rest. It was really good.
 >
 > Unfortuantely I don't have any documentation.

I'm glad to see that somebody has actually tried this.  Here's your
documentation.  The following appears in the 13th-century Arabo-
Andalusian _Manuscrito Anonimo_, and is reprinted in Cariadoc's
Collection, volume II:

Roast Calf, which was made for the Sayyid Abu-L-'Ala in Ceuta

Take a young, plump ram, skinned and cleaned; open it deeply between
the thighs and carefully take out all the entrails that are in its
belly.  Then put in the interior a stuffed goose and into its belly a
stuffed hen and in the belly of the hen a stuffed pigeon and in the
belly of the pigeon a stuffed thrush and in the belly of this a small
bird, stuffed or fried, all this stuffed and sprinkled with the sauce
described for stuffing; sew up this opening and place the ram in a hot
tannur  and leave it until it is browned and ready; sprinkle it with
that sauce and then place it in the body cavity of a calf which has
been prepared clean; sew it up and place it in the hot tannur  and
leave it until it is done and browned; then take it out and present
it.

                                         mar-Joshua ibn-Eleazar ha- 
Shalib
                                                  Stephen Bloch
                                            sbloch at  
panther.adelphi.edu


Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:20:44 -0800
From: Susan Fox-Davis <selene at earthlink.net>
To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] roasting meat question

 > A while back I read about a feast where they roasted a steer,  
stuffed with a
 > deer, stuffed with a pig, then a lamb, then a goose, then a ......  
I am sure
 > none of this is in the right order, but it was a bunch of animals,  
a smaller
 > one in the cavity of the next larger, and so on and so on, etc.
 >
 > Question..Does anyone have any idea what I am referring to? Any  
idea where
 > or even how I would check?
 >
 > Isabella

Culinary Taxidermy - stuffing foods with other foods
http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Culinary_20Taxidermy

Whole Stuffed Camel recipe from Saudi Arabia
Camel stuffed with lambs stuffed with chickens stuffed with eggs,  
rice in any
space that was left
http://home.tiac.net/~cri/1997/camel.html

Illustrated procedure for the Turducken
http://casa.colorado.edu/~kachun/tdc_recipe.shtml

Know that I mean it in the nicest possible way when I say:  get stuffed!

Best, Selene Colfox
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Stefan
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