[Sca-cooks] Ot-weird server behavior-waiters.....
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billfog1 at aol.com
Wed Feb 22 05:17:10 PST 2006
You know when I read that subject line I began to imagine all types of weird server behavior and NONE of it was on a computer.......showing my age......
Suzanne
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: OT -- weird server behavior??? (margaret)
2. Re: OT -- weird server behavior??? (Sue Clemenger)
3. Persona question list (Stefan li Rous)
4. fruit juice syrups (Stefan li Rous)
5. Inntalkochbuch (Stefan li Rous)
6. Re: Inntalkochbuch and almond cheese (Margaret Rendell)
7. Re: OT -- weird server behavior??? (ysabeau)
8. Re: fruit juice syrups (Volker Bach)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:22:10 -0600
From: "margaret" <m.p.decker at att.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT -- weird server behavior???
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
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I've had these problems for several weeks. For the past three days, I
haven't received anything from the list, but the list archive shows regular
activity. Margaret is still receiving mail from the list, so I'm using her
email. Go figure.
The list server appears to be holding mail to the list, then sending out a
batch about once a day probably ordering it on size rather than receipt when
it sends it out.
I've checked the spam filters at our ISP, the security software on our
system, and anything else I could think of, but the problem appears to be at
the Ansteorran server. I've also tried unsubscribing and re-subscribing,
but that has been a bust.
Bear
> Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius wrote:
>
>> Hullo, the list!
>>
>> I'm receiving out-of-sequence messages from this list (as in receiving
>> replies to posts that, in turn, arrive ~36 hours after the reply arrives
>> in my mailbox), and the few posts I've made arriving via the list in my
>> own mailbox 36 hours after they were sent.
>>
>> Anybody else? Gunthar, by any chance, are my messages having to be
>> manually admin-approved for some reason? For several months my posts
>> have taken a few hours to be posted to the list, but I think it's
>> getting worse.
>>
>> Thanks for any info...
>>
>> Adamantius
>
> I've noticed a similar phenomenon...not sure what's going on.
>
> Kiri
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:22:14 -0700
From: "Sue Clemenger" <mooncat at in-tch.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT -- weird server behavior???
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <00a301c6369e$654cc320$b7bfa6d8 at pavilion>
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I'm not having any problems with it at all. Nee-ner, Nee-ner. ;o)
--Maire, usually forever plagued with her own ISP issues
----- Original Message -----
From: "margaret" <m.p.decker at att.net>
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT -- weird server behavior???
> I've had these problems for several weeks. For the past three days, I
> haven't received anything from the list, but the list archive shows
regular
> activity. Margaret is still receiving mail from the list, so I'm using
her
> email. Go figure.
>
> The list server appears to be holding mail to the list, then sending out a
> batch about once a day probably ordering it on size rather than receipt
when
> it sends it out.
>
> I've checked the spam filters at our ISP, the security software on our
> system, and anything else I could think of, but the problem appears to be
at
> the Ansteorran server. I've also tried unsubscribing and re-subscribing,
> but that has been a bust.
>
> Bear
>
> > Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius wrote:
> >
> >> Hullo, the list!
> >>
> >> I'm receiving out-of-sequence messages from this list (as in receiving
> >> replies to posts that, in turn, arrive ~36 hours after the reply
arrives
> >> in my mailbox), and the few posts I've made arriving via the list in
my
> >> own mailbox 36 hours after they were sent.
> >>
> >> Anybody else? Gunthar, by any chance, are my messages having to be
> >> manually admin-approved for some reason? For several months my posts
> >> have taken a few hours to be posted to the list, but I think it's
> >> getting worse.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any info...
> >>
> >> Adamantius
> >
> > I've noticed a similar phenomenon...not sure what's going on.
> >
> > Kiri
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:57:09 -0600
From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Persona question list
To: SCA-Cooks maillist SCA-Cooks <SCA-Cooks at ansteorra.org>
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Christianna mentioned to Maire:
>>>
Write me privately at kingstaste at comcast.net and I'll send
you the persona question list I give out at my persona building
workshops. Lots of questions to think about. I can only answer about
25% for mine!
<<<
Sometimes these sorts of lists can be useful. I do have this one by
Mistress Gunnora (often known as the Viking Answer Lady) but it is
oriented more specifically to those with Norse personas:
Vikng-Persona-wsh (8K) 12/21/01 A Viking Persona worksheet by
Gunnora Hallakarva.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/PERSONAS/Vikng-Persona-wsh.html
Christianna,
If you are willing, I might be interested in adding your persona
question list to this PERSONAS section as well.
thanks,
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org ****
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:22:55 -0600
From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] fruit juice syrups
To: SCA-Cooks maillist SCA-Cooks <SCA-Cooks at ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <1C43CBAB-D410-4554-A966-A14D7DF5F4AC at austin.rr.com>
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Giano mentioned:
>>>
Am Sonntag, 19. Februar 2006 03:20 schrieb otsisto:
> Brainstormin' here
> Apple cider. not sure if period but apples are.
Gretman literature as far back as the 13th c knows something called
"epfeldranc/epheldranc" which translates as 'apple drink'. This is
usually
assumed to have been a form of fermented cider. Unfortunately, no
recipes I
am aware of survive, and interestingly, by the later 15th century
(when we
get instructions) the fermented beverage made from apples is known as
'apple
wine'. The only recipe for any 'dranc' that I know of makes a syrup.
Make of it what you will, but apples used for making *some* kind of
beverage
are period. I'm guessing it's fermented.
<<<
So, why are you guessing it's fermented? You seem to be making a
pretty good argument that there might indeed have been some non-
alcoholic beverages in period Europe. It is my understanding that
once you concentrate the fruit juice enough, that it creates and
enviornment that neither the bad stuff or the good, fermenting sort
of beasties will grow. This is why honey and sekanjaban syrup will
keep, until diluted.
It would be nice to know if there are any other references to "dranc"
in the medieval German literature. I'm not sure we have to have a
recipe for this "dranc". If it shows up in some literature of a
drunken brawl, then it is likely alcoholic. Is there something like
the OED for German?
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org ****
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:47:38 -0600
From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Inntalkochbuch
To: SCA-Cooks maillist SCA-Cooks <SCA-Cooks at ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <555D9262-6C45-44A3-A32D-DEBEC2208B93 at austin.rr.com>
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Giano commented:
>>>
Am Freitag, 17. Februar 2006 16:44 schrieb Susan Fox:
> Dear Volker. I could lap this stuff up all day. Love your
translations
> and redactions, they are in really accessible modern English [unlike
> some translators]. I think I will make the sauce of tart cherries at
> the other end of the year when cherries are in season. On the other
> hand, Lent will be upon us soon, might try out those sausages on my
> friends.
Make sure to also check out the Inntalkochbuch then, it has recipes
for fish sausages for Lent.
<<<
I believe this Inntalkochbuch can be found here for those who might
be interested:
Inntal-art (32K) 6/29/05 An early 16th century recipe
collection from
Bavaria translated by Giano
Balestriere.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-MANUSCRIPTS/Inntal-art.html
More fish sausages can also be found in this file in the FOOD-MEATS
section:
sausages-msg (176K) 4/17/05 Period sausages. Making sausage.
Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas
StefanliRous at austin.rr.com
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org ****
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:50:00 +1100
From: Margaret Rendell <m_rendell at optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Inntalkochbuch and almond cheese
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <43FAE248.8010501 at optusnet.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>
> Make sure to also check out the Inntalkochbuch then, it has recipes
> for fish sausages for Lent.
> <<<
Also recipes for making cheese from almonds - is this bringing two
threads together, or is this how we got to the Inntalkochbuch in the
first place (I can't tell as I, too, am getting things weirdly out of order)
Margaret/Emma
Melbourne, Australia/Krae Glas, Lochac
>
> I believe this Inntalkochbuch can be found here for those who might
> be interested:
> Inntal-art (32K) 6/29/05 An early 16th century recipe
> collection from
> Bavaria translated by Giano
> Balestriere.
> http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-MANUSCRIPTS/Inntal-art.html
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:44:40 -0600
From: "ysabeau" <ysabeau at mail.ev1.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT -- weird server behavior???
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>, <pug at pug.net>
Message-ID: <200602210844.AA24117302 at mail.ev1.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I've been receiving messages out of order on several list through
the "Ansteorran" Server (including Bryn Gwlad list). I didn't
think to check for missing messages. I just figured it was my ISP
being funky or that they had been downloaded on my home computer
before I checked my webmail.
Pug,
Do you know anything about this?
Thanks,
Ysabeau
P.S. I usually trim but wanted Pug to see the whole thing.
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From: "Sue Clemenger" <mooncat at in-tch.com>
Reply-To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:22:14 -0700
>I'm not having any problems with it at all. Nee-ner, Nee-ner. ;o)
>--Maire, usually forever plagued with her own ISP issues
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "margaret" <m.p.decker at att.net>
>To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] OT -- weird server behavior???
>
>
>> I've had these problems for several weeks. For the past three
days, I
>> haven't received anything from the list, but the list archive
shows
>regular
>> activity. Margaret is still receiving mail from the list, so
I'm using
>her
>> email. Go figure.
>>
>> The list server appears to be holding mail to the list, then
sending out a
>> batch about once a day probably ordering it on size rather than
receipt
>when
>> it sends it out.
>>
>> I've checked the spam filters at our ISP, the security software
on our
>> system, and anything else I could think of, but the problem
appears to be
>at
>> the Ansteorran server. I've also tried unsubscribing and re-
subscribing,
>> but that has been a bust.
>>
>> Bear
>>
>> > Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hullo, the list!
>> >>
>> >> I'm receiving out-of-sequence messages from this list (as
in receiving
>> >> replies to posts that, in turn, arrive ~36 hours after the
reply
>arrives
>> >> in my mailbox), and the few posts I've made arriving via
the list in
>my
>> >> own mailbox 36 hours after they were sent.
>> >>
>> >> Anybody else? Gunthar, by any chance, are my messages having
to be
>> >> manually admin-approved for some reason? For several months
my posts
>> >> have taken a few hours to be posted to the list, but I think
it's
>> >> getting worse.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any info...
>> >>
>> >> Adamantius
>> >
>> > I've noticed a similar phenomenon...not sure what's going on.
>> >
>> > Kiri
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:17:31 +0100
From: Volker Bach <carlton_bach at yahoo.de>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] fruit juice syrups
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
Message-ID: <200602211717.32028.carlton_bach at yahoo.de>
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Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2006 07:22 schrieb Stefan li Rous:
> Giano mentioned:
>
> Am Sonntag, 19. Februar 2006 03:20 schrieb otsisto:
> > Brainstormin' here
> > Apple cider. not sure if period but apples are.
>
> Gretman literature as far back as the 13th c knows something called
> "epfeldranc/epheldranc" which translates as 'apple drink'. This is
> usually
> assumed to have been a form of fermented cider. Unfortunately, no
> recipes I
> am aware of survive, and interestingly, by the later 15th century
> (when we
> get instructions) the fermented beverage made from apples is known as
> 'apple
> wine'. The only recipe for any 'dranc' that I know of makes a syrup.
>
> Make of it what you will, but apples used for making *some* kind of
> beverage
> are period. I'm guessing it's fermented.
> <<<
>
> So, why are you guessing it's fermented? You seem to be making a
> pretty good argument that there might indeed have been some non-
> alcoholic beverages in period Europe. It is my understanding that
> once you concentrate the fruit juice enough, that it creates and
> enviornment that neither the bad stuff or the good, fermenting sort
> of beasties will grow. This is why honey and sekanjaban syrup will
> keep, until diluted.
I think it is fermented because it fits the pattern (ale is fermented, beer is
fermented, wine is fermented...) and because by the time we have firmer data,
apple wine (a fermented drink) is a mass market product. I think it's just a
case of an earlier practice continuing, and a new name being used.
At the same time, I'm not convinced that *all* apple-based beverages were
fermented. Just the majority.
> It would be nice to know if there are any other references to "dranc"
> in the medieval German literature. I'm not sure we have to have a
> recipe for this "dranc". If it shows up in some literature of a
> drunken brawl, then it is likely alcoholic. Is there something like
> the OED for German?
There is, the 'Grimmsches Wörterbuch' (yes, the same as the fairy tale guys).
I even bought a CD copy, but can't currently run it, so checking isn't going
to be that easy. But I have this whole 'dranc' thing on the back burner.
Unfortunately, 'dranc' according to my Middle High German dictionary means
'beerage', 'drink' and 'potion', so mentions will be many. I think the main
item of interest will be the compound form (something-drancs).
If i find the time, or can convince some to let me do 'Medieval German
Foodways' as a PhD :-)
Giano
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