[Sca-Cooks] dazed and confused
sclemenger at msn.com
Tue Jul 24 06:05:21 PDT 2007
In reading your posts (and trying, only partially successfully, to ignore the flaming bits), it sounds almost as if you were using the archives in the same way a person would choose to read messages from a yahoo list on-line (I.e., at the website of the list). I actually do that for a couple of the 30-odd lists of which I'm a member, primarily because I just plain can't keep up with the flood of messages that pass through them every day (talking 100s and 100s here....), and reading them on the web allows me some control over which messages I read. However, I'm still a. a member of these lists, and b. while I'm a list member, I wouldn't exactly consider myself a member of some sort of "community" unless I were actually participating, if only occasionally. I sure as heck don't feel "shut out" because some group would prefer I participate on some infinitesimal level before I can use their resources--that's just plain common courtesy.
While I can understand your frustration with your flagged messages, I really don't see why that frustration gives you license to be nasty to Master A or to any of us. If you have an issue with how this list in particular is run, take it up with Gunthar, who owns it. It's his living room, after all. If you have a problem with how the ansteorra.org server functions, take it up with the gentle people who own it. It's their apartment complex (to extend an analogy). But stop yelling at your neighbors when it's not their fault.
----- Original Message -----
From: terry l. ridder<mailto:terrylr at blauedonau.com>
To: Cooks within the SCA<mailto:sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Sca-Cooks] dazed and confused
okay, sorry i did not make myself clear the first time.
many of the lists hosted by lists.ansteorra.org up until
sometime on 23 jul 2007, had publicly open archives. anyone
was able to read the list's archives. obviously they could
not post to the list without being a member.
the sca-cooks list was one such list. people who were not list
members were able to read the list's archives using their web
browsers. this was a nice feature in that it allowed a person
to read the list at their leisure and not have to receive
e-mails from the list.
the sudden shift in list policy raises questions as to why.
suddenly lists which have been publicly readable for years
are now suddenly member only.
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius wrote:
> I note, both from the fact that you're posting here and from checking
> the ansteorra.org site (a privilege of membership I occasionally take
> advantage of), that you are a member of this list. Now, if you're
> unable to read archives from other lists to which you are not
> subscribed, as has been suggested elsewhere, there may be better
> places to bring the question.
i read the list via the list archives feature. i prefer the list
archives and the various viewing options over individual e-mails.
i have read sca-cooks far longer than i have been a member. i felt
no need to clutter the sca-cooks list with my noise.
i was also able to bookmark specific msgs that i wanted to have
for reference. all those bookmarks are now useless because the
urls have all changed. i either have to edit hundreds of bookmarks
or abandon them. others who have booked mark sca-cook msgs will
find that the urls no longer work.
> It's not clear to me what the problem is. Many people on this list
> spend a fair amount of time and effort developing and nurturing a
> spirit of community that you won't find in many other lists.
> Membership is too much to ask?
many people who are not members of the list were reading it because
it was publicly readable by anyone. the information, community spirit,
and general sca awareness was reaching many people. now suddenly those
people find themselves being shut out unless they become list members.
the spirit of community was just flushed down the toilet when the list
archives were suddenly switched from publicly readable by anyone to
> Now, if membership is too much to ask to read 20 or 30 lists, well,
> we all have had to prioritize, I'm sure.
why don't you climb down from your condescending throne and mingle the
the 'normal' people of the world.
terry l. ridder ><>
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