[Sca-cooks] Sixteenth Century Turkish

Wed Apr 7 03:51:03 PDT 2010

Please read all of the post again---

I clearly state that with regard to this cookbook--

>> This text is not available at the above website now, but I located  
>> a copy
>> on the wayback machine sometime back, so
>> it may be still available there. And YES it can be found there.

I was chided earlier in this thread for not specifying even non- 
working url's or the use
of the Wayback Machine,
[ Did you check the Way Back Machine for it?  http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
Part is better than nothing. Perchance could you share the url? ]

  so in these instances I included the original urls even though they  
are gone away with a Wayback machine notice and note regarding the  
illustrations.

Johnnae

On Apr 7, 2010, at 6:17 AM, Elaine Koogler wrote:

> All of these links work wonderfully, though many of them wind up  
> pointing to
> pretty much the same site.  However, the last one,
> http://www.ascibasi.net/ascibasiEng.asp, is broken.  It points to a  
> location
> where you can purchase a domain name, which leads me to believe that  
> the
> site has gone away.  Too bad...looked like a great resource!
>
> Kiri
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Johnna Holloway <johnnae at mac.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Use this site
>>
>> http://www.kanyak.com/surname-i-vehbi/index.html
>>
>> It carries this note:
>> Note: This site is currently under construction. When completed, it  
>> will
>> contain all the Levni images in jpg format together with  
>> explanations and
>> comments.
>>
>>
>> It seems to feature most of what the former site did.
>>
>> Wayback machine is dropping connections right now.
>>
>> The problem with the Wayback Machine is they preserve text and drop  
>> the
>> illustrations, so those sugar garden illuminations aren't there. I  
>> could
>> never get them to load.
>>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20041202015617/www.geocities.com/surnamei_vehbi/
>>
>> Just use the other website and save time.
>>
>> It also features
>>
>> http://www.kanyak.com/hasan.html
>>
>> ------------------
>>
>> I've been busy which is why I have been staying away from this  
>> thread, but
>> here are a couple
>> of notes taken from what I've posted in the past:
>>
>> Perhaps you haven't come across this post of mine from April 2006
>> where I wrote:
>>
>> to answer some related
>> questions on another list I have been looking into Ottoman foods  
>> also.
>> Besides all the EEBO materials and descriptions of foods  
>> encountered by
>> Westerners, there's a huge amount of other stuff.
>> Among the most interesting online articles that I have come across  
>> is this
>> one:
>>
>> "The Imperial Procession: Recreating a world's order" by Stephane
>> Yerasimos. It examines the feasts and festivals of the Ottoman Court.
>> (NO LONGER Available here)
>> by the author of A la Table du Grand Turc which can be acquired  
>> from Amazon
>> Canada.
>>
>> 2010 ---You can interlibrary loan that volume of course; very  
>> helpful if
>> you read French.
>>
>> For those that are intrigued by the topic and would like to read  
>> more,
>> I can suggest the following books in English.
>>
>> Cevik, Nihal K. (Editor), Imperial Taste, 700 Years of Culinary
>> Culture. Ankara : Republic of Turkey, Ministry of Culture, the  
>> General
>> Directorate of Research and Development of Folk Cultures, 2000.
>> Footnotes and bibliography along with pictures and some recipes.
>> Also includes a translation of The Bursa or Edict of Standards from  
>> 1502.
>>
>> One book with marvelous pictures is:
>> The Food Culture of the Ottoman Palace by Gary Oberling and Grace  
>> Martin
>> Smith. Istanbul : Society of Friends of Topkapi Palace Museum, 2001.
>> Again great illus; good text with footnotes; Lots of information on  
>> the
>> 16th century court.
>>
>> The newest and perhaps one of the most interesting as of 2006:
>> Yerasimos, Marianna 500 Years Of Ottoman Cuisine ISBN : 9752301614
>> Publisher : Boyut Yayın in İstanbul.
>> It was just published in Dec. 2005, so it's not available for  
>> interlibrary
>> loan.
>> Prices vary widely.
>> It includes a great chapter on food and culinary sources
>> in Ottoman history, inc. palace records. Also nearly 100 recipes  
>> ranging
>> from 14-17th centuries. With illustrations.
>>
>> The easiest way to obtain Turkish books is to order them directly  
>> from
>> Istanbul. Should anyone get motivated and want to order from  
>> Turkey, I'd
>> suggest EREN Books. http://www.eren.com.tr/
>> While it can take 6 weeks or longer at the cheapest book rate, my  
>> books in
>> 2006 came in roughly two weeks.
>> Otherwise do try interlibrary loan, but be prepared to wait.
>>
>> http://www.tulumba.com is another online Turkish store with lots of  
>> stuff.
>> They also carry some books.
>>
>> 2010 Note: I would warn that you can easily drop a couple hundred  
>> dollars
>> or more buying these books. Consider them a great investment.
>>
>> From a post in 2004 I mentioned this:
>>
>> At http://www.ascibasi.net/ascibasiEng.asp
>> is
>> the full annotated Turkish text of Mahmud Nedim's cookery book
>> As,ç?bas,?, which was originally published in Istanbul by Yap? Kredi
>> Yay?nlar?,
>> As edited by Priscilla Mary Is,?nn, it can now be found on this  
>> website.
>>
>> Mahmud Nedim bin Tosun, a lieutenant in the Ottoman infantry,
>> completed his cookery book in H. 1316 (1898),
>> and it was published in Istanbul in H. 1318 (1900).
>>
>> While it's 19th century in composition, there are a number of
>> interesting recipes to be found within its pages.
>>
>> This text is not available at the above website now, but I located  
>> a copy
>> on the wayback machine sometime back, so
>> it may be still available there. And YES it can be found there.
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Johnnae llyn Lewis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Barbara Benson wrote:
>>
>> Part is better than nothing. Perchance could you share the url?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Serena da Riva
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Johnna  wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course!
>>>> They are there only in part.
>>>>
>>>> Johnna
>>>>
>>>>
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