[Sca-cooks] SC - Toasting salamander/Neapolitan Collection

David Walddon david at vastrepast.com
Mon Jul 26 16:27:10 PDT 2010

He mentions several water marks some of which date to the earlier part of
the last half of the 15th century and one that was not produced until
1490-something. I need to find my notes on the subject for the exact date
and the reference for the watermarks.

On 7/26/10 7:17 AM, "Johnna Holloway" <johnnae at mac.com> wrote:

> This is one of these problems that we encounter and never mention.
> (Manuscripts get dated in various ways. When they were written,
> copied, or finally printed may be cited in various places.)
> Looking at the records for the actual manuscript, The Pierpont Morgan
> Library lists the manuscript
> under Notes: Ms. cookbook; written in Naples at the end of the
> fifteenth century.
> It was a bequest to the library in 1985.
> "Bühler manuscripts (MS B.1-MS B.61): Among the many volumes
> bequeathed to the Library by Dr. Curt F. Bühler (1905-1985) was his
> collection of sixty-one medieval and Renaissance manuscripts. Dr.
> Bühler, who worked in the Department of Printed Books for fifty-two
> years, serving for many of them as its Keeper of Printed Books, was
> one of the world's leading authorities on the art and history of books
> printed during the fifteenth century. The manuscripts reflect his
> research interests, which were textual rather than art historical;
> consequently, they add another dimension to the Library's holdings.
> Especially intriguing is a late-fifteenth-century Neapolitan cookbook
> (MS B.19)."
> The detailed bibliography and descriptions for it say to check:
> MS B.19
> Ryskamp, Charles, ed., Twenty-First Report to the Fellows of the
> Pierpont Morgan
> Library, 1984-1986, New York, 1989, 32.
> Kristeller, Paul Oskar, Iter Italicum, V, London, 1990, 345.
> Benporat, Claudio, Cucina italiana del quattrocento, Florence, 1996.
> Scully, Terence, ed. and trans., with Rudolf Grewe, Cuoco Napoletano:
> The Neapolitan
> Recipe Collection (New York Morgan Library, MS Bühler, 19), Ann Arbor,
> 2000.
> ---
> So where does the information about the watermark appear? Scully just
> mentions the watermark is second half of the 15th century. We can
> write to the library and find out if they have more information as of
> this date.
> Johnna
> On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:50 AM, David Walddon wrote:
>> The one of the water marks on the paper from the Neapolitan Collection
>> (which I usually refer to as Buhler 19) seems to indicate that this
>> specific
>> manuscript can NOT be from a time earlier than the 1490's. IIRC the
>> watermark did not exist until 1493 or there abouts.
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