[Sca-cooks] Measurement Definition
johnnae at mac.com
Fri Sep 3 12:36:22 PDT 2010
I don’t think it’s that simple. I did some searching and will do some
more later this weekend
I found this book which indicates that pounds of butter (and dishes of
butter) by custom varied in England in the early 19th century.
The Literary panorama and national register, Volume 1 [London :
Printed for C. Taylor, 1814-1819]
edited by Charles Taylor
for November 1814
BRITISH and FOREIGN. WEIGHTS AND MEASURES.
Report From The Select Committee, Appointed By The House Of ComMons To
Investigate The Subject Of Weights-And Measures. [Ordered by the House
of Commons to be printed, July 1, 1814]
Account Begins on page 194
On page 195
The mortification of such discrepancies has even penetrated our
domestic economy. A pound of butter is, in some places, fourteen
ounces, in others sixteen, and in others twenty;
With the utmost deference to the motives which induced the committee
to tolerate different kinds of weights now used in certain trades and
professions, we beg leave to protest against the indulgence :—if
Goldsmiths are tolerated' in the use of their present weights— because
the mystery of their trade re-' quires it:—if Apothecaries are to
retain drams and scruples, because to act otherwise Were contrary to
the regulations of the college, why not indulge the merchant in his
long hundred,'and his short hundred ;
and why disturb the honest butterwoman her rate at market, who
composes her dish of butter in the county of Essex, of thirty six or
forty ounces, while her neighbour Goodwife in Cam-; bridgeshire
reckons twenty four, or thirty, to her dish.
These exceptions undermined the general regulation formerly : they
retain the same powers, and will produce the same effects: if.
Goldsmiths and Apothecaries are allowed to err through learning— their
inferiors in every sense, except in common sense, will most assuredly
plead equal privilege, and think themselves warranted in erring
On the last resolution of the committee, that "a jury should return a
verdict," &c. we shall only add—that such verdict ought to be returned
by the Grand Jury annually : it is a very proper part of their province.
Then for a measure that is much much larger--
Ancient laws and institutes of Wales; comprising laws supposed to be
enacted by Howel the Good: and anomalous laws, consisting principally
of institutions which by the statute of Ruddlan were admitted to
continue in force. London] Printed by command of His Late Majesty King
William IV under the direction of the Commissioners on the Public
Records of the Kingdom, 1841.
Chapter xxvi The Venedotian Code.
XXVII. FROM BOND MAENOLS THE AMOUNT DUE IS AS FOLLOWS.
1. From the bond maenols two a ' dawnbwyds' are due yearly.
2. The winter: a three year old swine; a vessel of butter, snipped
3. The measure of the summer dawnbwyd is, a three year old wether;
a dish of butter as broad as the broadest dish in the trev, and two
hand-breadths in thickness;
twenty-six loaves of such bread as we have mentioned before; c and to
collect' what there may be of milch animals possessed by all within
the trev, and to milk them once in the day, and only that once…
The Venedotian Code is dated 13th century.
By the way the well received volume titled
The Cornucopia: being a kitchen entertainment and cookbook by the
Hermans and reprinted by the Huntington Library, ©2005.
reckoned that a dish of butter was a cup.
But that may be the measure used in cookery within the kitchen and nor
in the dairy.
I'll keep looking.
On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Elise Fleming wrote:
> Greetings! In puzzling out a recipe from "A Proper Newe Booke of
> Cokerye" (To Bake Chekins in Lyke Paest) it says to take a "half a
> dyshe of butter" to put on top of a chicken (which will be enclosed
> in a pastry case). Subsequently it says to take six egg yolks and a
> "dyshfull" of verjuice to make a sauce for later on.
> Does anyone know how much a "dyshe" would have been around 1550?
> The Hampton Court cooks found "an obscure dairy measure" from the
> north of England (1800) that indicated it was 24 ounces. Anyone
> else have a better definition?
> I will say that if you are interested in Tudor cookery, you might
> like to go to the Forum (http://www.tudorcook.co.uk/forums/)and join
> the discussions. I've actually gotten motivated to try some cookery
> other than confections!
> Alys K.
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