For grins, I ran quick check through the current posted Order of Precidence: Sable Thistles with Categories in: Brushwork - 10 Charter Painting - 1 Illumination - 64 Calligraphy - 37 Calligraphy and Illumination - 39 Graphic Arts - 10 Artwork - 10 Scribal Arts - 6 Heraldic Arts - 14 Cartography - 1 Decorative Arts - 2 cheers, Hillary