SR - principality reasoning

[Bob Dewart]

When I ask who is going to make the insignia and do the scrolls, I do so
after turning in to the Crown at Kings College 53 award insignia (that was
the second batch for a total of 77 this reign).  I did it because I wanted
to.  And because the Crown asked for help.  If people were sending in the
insignia the cries for help would not be necessary.   I usualy do not give
very many insignia to the Crown that has Gulf War because of making war
arrows; to the other it's usually 100+.

I can tell you one thing, the folks who come up with the insignia design do
not always think about the poor folks who have to make them.  Make 4 or 500
Comets, Cranes, Thistles, Rising Stars and Compass Rosses then with a
straight face tell me they had you in mind when they designed it.

The work doesn't always take care of itself.  If it did there would be no
need for autocrates, seneschals or any other supervisory position.  Ever see
someone get an award  and see the Crown appolgise for not having an insignia
to give them?  Or How about the first of an award not get the scroll for the
award because it wasn't made yet(been there and still don't have it).

The best reason I can think of for doing a principality is so that it could
become a Kingdom  and correct the lack of award structure we have.  We can
talk more about this.

Another possibility is greater expression.  Currently we seem to be very
tied to a way of doing things ; for example A & S events.  While I must
admit it was nice and comfortable at the college, restricting ourselves to
"air conditioned" sites for a Kings College or Regional A & S greatly limits
the activities that can be done.  But I doubt that this will happen because
the same people will still be here or there as the case may be.

Some one has to think about the logistics of this thing and not just hope it
will work out for the best.



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis and Dory Grace <amazing at mail.utexas.edu>
To: southern at Ansteorra.ORG <southern at Ansteorra.ORG>
Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 8:59 PM
Subject: SR - principality reasoning


>Gillie says:
>>>>I haven't checked the map, but I feel save in saying that every where in
>the Kingdom is within 100 miles of a Barony, not to mention all the the
>other Excellancies, and Graces that are out their.  God bless them for what
>they do; but,  I don't think this will decrease the number of events the
>Crown goes to during Their reign. <<<
>
>The "eases the burden of the Crown" is, in my opinion, one of the lesser
>reasons to support forming a Principality. It may very well not decrease
>the number of events a Crown attends during Thier reign, but it just as
>easily may. It does at least offer TM the opportunity to hit one or two
>events less.
>
>>>>My other question is "Who is going to make the new insignias"?<<<
>
>Whoever tosses in suggestions and those who put in thier ballot for one
>idea or another will play a part in the choosing and designing of any
>insignia. The heralds will, of course, play the most decisive part in what
>we're allowed to have in the end.
>
>
>>>>Undoubtedly there will principality awards: some of which will require
>insignia, all of which will require paper of some kind.  Currently those
>good gentles doing this work now can bearly keep up.  And we're thinking of
>adding another layer of awards to make and keep track of?<<<
>
>The question of "work" will take care of itself. No one is going to force
>anyone to continue to hold (or to take on) an office that develops from a
>regional office into a principality office that's more work than they
>signed on for. There are folks willing to do the work (which really isn't
>as much more in many cases as some might think). If there aren't, then the
>question of whether we make a principality or not will pretty much be
>answered, I do believe.
>
>I think that rather than us talking about how horrible all this extra work
>will be *for someone else* perhaps we should let officers or prospective
>officers speak for themselves; they're more than capable of saying whether
>or not they'll be willing or able to maintain their regional offices if
>they develop into principality offices or if they would need a replacement.
>
>>>>The concept of principality does'nt bother me.  I'm one of the few who
>can say they were playing here before it was the Principlaity of Ansteorra.
> However; I want to see it done for the right reasons.<<<
>
>What do you see as the right reasons?
>
>The reasons I like the idea of making a principality are the fun of
>creating something and the development of a new level of opportunities for
>1) leadership opportunities; 2) another level of pageantry; 3) another
>level of artistic expression; 4) event themes; 5) more closely knit
communty.
>
>I also think that one of the very best reasons to make a principality here
>is that it would appear that the clear majority here want to. Based on a
>combination of the polls listed on the southern regional page to date
>(except Shadowlands; the only votes listed for them is about boundaries; so
>I suppose you could even consider those as in support overall), something
>like 75% are in favor, about 18% don't care/abstained, and only 7% said no.
>
>I'd also like to point out that it's pretty easy for anyone to come along
>and address any of these points (along with other reasons folks give in
>favor of a principality)  with something to the effect of "but we can do
>stuff like that,  minus having a Prince and Prince, *without* a
>Principality." Anyone can argue with any of these reasons. Anyone can say
>something like "we've survived all this time without a principality, I
>don't see the need now." I don't necessarily have any specific problem with
>comments of this sort. I guess at this point, though, I look at the results
>of those straw polls held around the region. I'm betting that the
>undecideds aren't campaigning against the concept and are just sitting back
>and looking at the reasoning on both sides. Since I've yet to hear much in
>the way of solid argument *against* getting together and doing the
>principality thing (and the "it's so much work" argument won't hold,
>because we have a load of people willing to work--and already doing a bunch
>of work), I'm curious; why does this small percentage of folk not want the
>apparent majority of us to do this thing we want to do? My question to
>everyone who voted 'no' would be "how do you think things might change for
>the worse for *you* if we make a Principality?" Don't get me wrong, I'm not
>trying to offend anyone or stifle any valid arguments against a
>principality, if anyone can come up with one. Maybe if we dragged some of
>these fears out into the light, they could be examined. (BTW, Gillie, I'm
>not referring to you or your question here; this is something I've been
>wondering about for a while anyway). I'm just a little concerned with
>having seen a little of what seems to me to just be counterproductive
>naysaying or negativity for negativity's sake. Maybe I'm just misperceiving
>some stuff; any feedback from anyone on this?
>
>Aquilanne
>
>
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