[Steppes] Fwd: [Ansteorra] Youthful Combatants

Fri Dec 31 11:12:40 PST 2004

Incorrect assumption.  Virtually any martial activity has some limited
participation between age groups.  Golden Gloves boxing allows 16 and 17
year olds.  THey're simply groupsed into their regular weight classes.
Judo, karate...all the same.  I was participating as a 14 year old in adult
judo tournaments.

The legal issue is that there are written guidelines and safety percuations.
We have those things firmly in place.  There will be no problem.  CAN we get
sued?  SURE!  We CAN get sued because someone has a bad time at 12th Night.
But it's not likely they'll win.

Ask Sir Alexis if you'd be interested in relevant legal precedents in Texas
and Oklahoma.  But I know for a fact that the international martial arts
organizations I'm a life member of have never been successfully sued in this
manner MERELY for a 16 or 17 year old being injured.  The price is keeping a
constant eye on following your regulations.

The beauty of this rule, of course, is that a parent of a 16 and 17 year old
who DOES feel strongly that their child should not participate  can keep
them from it.  Since teh propopsed authorization process will require the
child to auth personally with the KINGDOM Earl Marshal at this point, that's
a pretty fine control.

Just my opinions, such as they are, not being the father of any child, but
was once that child.  :)  In fact, I didn't start in the SCA when I WANTED
to because the rules at the time required me to be 18.  By the time I turned
18, I had lost interest.

Morgan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Hill" <sueorintx at hotmail.com>
To: <steppes at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:01 PM
Subject: RE: [Steppes] Fwd: [Ansteorra] Youthful Combatants

> true, but those dont involve people of often significantly bigger persons
in
> armor swinging sticks. Therre is actually a huge difference. Most of those
> activities have weight/age classes or experience classes. They won't
involve
> a 140 lb 16 year old rookie against a 290 lb duke who has been fighting
for
> 20 years....HUGE difference.
>
> Linet
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Trish Kvamme" <ladyoftherose at hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: "Barony of Steppes - SCA, Inc." <steppes at ansteorra.org>
> To: steppes at ansteorra.org
> Subject: RE: [Steppes] Fwd: [Ansteorra] Youthful Combatants
> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:42:51 +0000
>
> Pop Warner Football, Karate, Judo, Ballett shall I go on :)
>
> Any sport or activity where minors are involved, in fact those activities
> are less stricly supervised :)
>
> Larissa
>
> >From: "Susan Hill" <sueorintx at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: "Barony of Steppes - SCA, Inc." <steppes at ansteorra.org>
> >To: steppes at ansteorra.org
> >Subject: RE: [Steppes] Fwd: [Ansteorra] Youthful Combatants
> >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:14:05 -0600
> >
> >My chief concern is that, if the minor is injured, is Children's
Protective
> >Services going to go after the parent/guardian for allowing the child to
> >participate in the activity; or will they go after the SCA group? All the
> >waivers in the world won't protect from something like that. As a parent
of
> >a teenaged boy, and, having had a 'contact' made by Children's Services
in
> >another state over something much more benign, I give a lot more thought
to
> >things like this than a lot of people might. I would be very hesitant to
> >allow my son to 'play with the big boys' in a contact activity like this.
> >Fortunately he hasn't shown much interest in fighting, just archery and
> >thrown weapons.
> >
> >Linet
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "John Mays" <john_l_mays at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: "Barony of Steppes - SCA, Inc." <steppes at ansteorra.org>
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> >Subject: RE: [Steppes] Fwd: [Ansteorra] Youthful Combatants
> >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:24:47 -0600
> >
> >As soon as a minor is hurt, who is going to get sued...
> >The adult.
> >
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