[Ansteorra-rapier] gauntlets and rapier

[Northern Cadet]

I agree with Don Dore that a mail gauntlet isn't much use give the rules he
has quoted.  I think the idea behind his rationale is reasonable if we keep
the concept of competition in mind.  I'm not a fan of the way we utilize
blade grabbing and don't use it in the SCA due to it's restrictive rules.  I
wonder if they might be modified for C&T to be less restrictive and allow
for a more period interpretation?  I have little concern that someone will
wrest my C&T approved blades to the point of breakage.
 
 

Lord Gassion de Beaumarchais 
Cadet to Don James Francis Navarre 
Mooneschadowe Insegnante 

Control thyself, or be ruled by another... 

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I will correct a bit of my language from my previous post -- this is
specifically a chain mail gauntlet, not any metal gauntlet. It is proof
against CUTS, not thrusts. Here is the language from the newest rules (which
hopefully were signed in at Crown):



Mail gauntlets shall be allowed as a parrying device and shall protect the
hand from cuts wherever it is covered by metal. Gauntlets shall be
constructed in a reasonably similar fashion to that of historical examples.
(i.e. actual chain mail and a leather glove, all chain mail, etc.).
Simulations made of cloth, paint, tape and the like shall not be used as a
mail gauntlet.


For any other gauntlets or armor, it would have to be played under the armor
as worn rule, as Piet said. The difference is that not only would both
fighters have to agree, the tournament organizers would have to ok it too.
If you have a cool idea it should not be hard to get that buy in.


In answer to Brian's question, yes, you can still grab the blade. I see no
rule against it. However, given the rules I see little advantage to grasping
with it rather than a leather gloved hand.

In answer to Rurik's query: No matter if the mail covers the palm or not,
the palm can still be damaged if it grabs a blade. The purpose of this rule:



If the blade that is grasped moves or twists in the grasping hand, that hand
is deemed disabled.



is to reduce incidents of fighters just hanging on to the blade and perhaps
wrestling over it. Also, it helps balance the game so the guy who's blade is
grasped is not helpless. Those needs do not change just because the hand is
covered with mail. Yes, it seems a bit unrealistic that a blade can still
slice through the mail but remember that in a real fight the person who's
blade is grasped would probably punch or kick the fighter grasping his
blade. Since in most duels the fighters were similarly armed I'll leave it
to your imagination what such a punch would do. Obviously that is not an
option in our game.

>From a rules standpoint, I will also point out that the latter is an SCA
rule and so takes precedence over the Ansteorra specific mail gauntlet rule
(which is a kingdom specific application of the SCA armor as worn rule).

So, that is the rule no matter how you slice it ;-)

Christian Doré, KRM




From: rurikthered at swordworks.org



Also,



I assume you are talkign about a glove with only chain on the back side

and not necessarily a fine maille across the palm (like a butchers

glove)in blade grabbing, correct?



Rurik





  

So the hand with the guantlet can still be used for blade grabbing?  Just

wanting to make sure.



Brian



    


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