[ANSTHRLD] Questions about a tierce
Donnchadh
donnchadh at cornelius.norman.ok.us
Mon Feb 27 08:49:26 PST 2006
We discussed a fieldless badge, but that would conflict with:
* Aeruin as Sruth Waleis
* The following badge associated with this name was registered in June of 2002 (via the West):
(Fieldless) A daffodil slipped and leaved bell to chief argent.
Armory descriptions:
* FLOWER-TRUMPET SHAPE:1:argent:spa
* NO
would it not?
Also, what is the "fieldless bribe"?
Donnchadh
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From: tmcd at panix.com
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:19:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Questions about a tierce
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Donnchahd Beag mac Griogair
> <donnchadh at cornelius.norman.ok.us> wrote:
> > She is also looking at doing a badge as well (especially if she goes
> > with ermine for the tierce), of Vert, a lily argent slipped and
> > leaved Or.
>
> Did you explain that, while that style is certainly registerable,
> period badges were usually fieldless? And there's the "fieldless
> bribe" too.
>
> > I thought for sure that would be taken, but when I checked I could
> > only find one device that even came close:
> >
> > Minowara Kiritsubo
> > Vert, a calla lily blossom proper within a bordure Or.
> > for Eleanor Aison of Devon
> >
> > I'm not sure if there would be a CD between a calla lily blossom
> > proper and a lily argent slipped and leaved Or. One for color
> > maybe? I'm not sure what the proper color for a calla lily
> > blossom is.
>
> Judging by my Google Images search for "calla lily", there shouldn't
> be a proper defined for it: one page alone shows white, purple, red,
> yellow shading into red, rose, and faint violet.
>
> I've looked at Minowara Kiritsubo's badge form, and the calla lily
> blossom is white with a yellow, er, whatever that thingy is in the
> center, the pistil or stamen or stigma or whatever.
> <http://www.onlinewholesaleflowers.com/calla.jpg> is pretty close,
> except that Kiritsubo's is rotated slightly to be face on (that is,
> the picture is slightly trian aspect) and Kiritsubo's doesn't have the
> foliage. If someone could name that yellow reproductive organ in the
> middle for me, I'd appreciate it. (No, not "Bob", though that's an
> oddly appropriate term at times in the context of sexual organs.
> I mean pistil or stamen or stigma or whatever.)
>
> ... OK, I did a search of LoARs and found a definite statement (10/95
> LoAR):
>
> Leonora of Monadh. Name and device. Vert, three lilies and a bordure Or.
> Monadh is the registered name of her branch.
> Versus Minowara Kiritsubo, Vert, a calla lily blossom proper
> within a bordure Or, there are CDs for the number of primary
> charges and for their tincture; a calla lily blossom proper is
> argent, stamened Or.
>
> I still suspect it's actually a pistil, but you know what it means.
>
> Slipping and leaving is not a CD, even when it's big and visually
> prominent. (You'd pretty much have to shrink the blossom to be tiny
> to get a CD -- by virtue of it changing from "a lily slipped and
> leaved" to "a lily plant", which is to say, no longer a flower.) The
> yellow sexy thingy in the center of Kiritsubo's is too small for
> difference, I'd say.
>
> So only 1 CD for the bordure -- conflict.
>
> Dannet de Lyncoln
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