[ANSTHRLD] conflict check: griffin on delf

[Coblaith Muimnech]

Antonia wrote:
> I have done my own checks, but since I am new, I wanted to double  
> check myself

and later posted this URL:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/jimcouch/Heraldry?feat=directlink

She offered this description of one proposed device:
> Azure with Sable, a delf argent, a Azzure Griffon Courant gardant

The griffin is neither courant nor gardant.  It's posture would be  
blazoned "segreant", but needn't be because that's the S.C.A. default  
for griffins <http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/coagloss.html#default>.

I'd blazon this: "Azure, on a delf argent a griffin azure."

Style note:  In period emblazons, charges were generally drawn to  
fill the space they occupied.  Given that, and given the fact that  
you've got on it a complex charge that you want to be as identifiable  
as possible, I strongly recommend you make the delf significantly  
larger (as large as it can be and still fit on the field).  You also  
need a clearer image of the griffin.  At the moment, it takes work to  
figure out what it is. (And that's not how heraldry is supposed to  
work.)  There's a nice 15th-century one from Bavaria you could adapt  
at <http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00001755/images/index.html? 
seite=445>, and a couple of 16th-century English ones at <http:// 
mdz10.bib-bvb.de/~db/bsb00001647/images/index.html?seite=43>.


This proposal conflicts with the badge of Timothy of Glastinbury,  
"Azure, a billet argent."  There is one Clear Difference between the  
two, for the addition of a charge group entirely on another charge  
group (the griffin on the delf), so you could still register the  
proposed device if Timothy of Glastinbury issued a letter of  
permission to conflict <http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/ 
admin.html#APPENDIXD>.  He was living in Elfsea when he submitted the  
badge for registration; perhaps the Nautilus Pursuivant can help you  
find him <http://herald.ansteorra.org/contacts.php> and ask.


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