[Sca-cooks] Re: Coffyns

[Nancy Kiel]

Also, if the pastry is thick enough to stand on its own, you don't need a 
form.



Nancy Kiel
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And teasing isn't nice.




>From: "Phil Troy / G. Tacitus Adamantius" <adamantius.magister at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
>To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at ansteorra.org>
>Subject: [Sca-cooks] Re: Coffyns
>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:42:32 -0500
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>Also sprach Micheal:
>>I working away in my kitchen one day when a thought hit me.  It hurt ( 
>>before anyone else gets it)You know they had pots and pans made by hand. 
>>Why wouldn`t they have used such for a shaping mold.  Flip the pot  bottom 
>>side up. Take the pastry throw it on top of your cleanest pot of 
>>appropiate size. Shape drop it on the counter fill it  cap it oven it. 
>>Much faster operation for simple day to day . Much faster then all the 
>>hands on methods I have been reading. May also explain why there are no 
>>molds to be seen or to be questioned about. I realy have a hard time 
>>believing they liked to work any harder then we do. Another project to 
>>look at maybe.
>>Da
>
>They probably did have the pastrycook's equivalent of raising stakes, and 
>the process of wrapping dough over and around one probably very much like 
>raising a knee cop. Modern instructions for working with hot-water pie 
>doughs often include using something like a large glass jar as a form, but 
>I believe I have an old (semi-old, probably 1940's or so) English 
>professional baking manual/textbook which mentions using a wooden form, 
>presumably a cylindrical block with smoothed edges, on a stick, to form the 
>pastry cases for small pork pies.
>
>But I was always struck by the period instructions to "raise a coffin", and 
>always had a feeling the verb use was functionally identical to the verb 
>usage wherein an armorer raises a cup-shaped piece. [Note that the recipes 
>don't say to "dish a coffyn in a trap"; they say to "raise" it... ;-)  ]
>
>Speculation, yes, but interesting nonetheless.
>
>Adamantius
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